MassWrestling.com
Welcome
Username:

Password:


Remember me

[ ]
[ ]
Online
Guests: 41, Members: 1 ...
SpadleCradle
most ever online: 859
Members: 9952
Newest: tripledoublesports
Support MassWrestling. Click a link!







Forums
MassWrestling.com :: Forums :: Rankings and Predictions

2014-15 MassWrestling Rankings as of 09-MAR-2015  Go to page  [1] 2 3
The Rankings Team
Mon Mar 09 2015, 04:18PM

Joined: Sun Feb 22 2004, 11:56AM
Posts: 198
*We will post Final Rankings next week, but the only changes will be anything obvious that we may have overlooked.


=================

2014-2015 Rankings

================

Dual Meet Team Rankings

1.Springfield Central (D1W)
2.St. John's Prep (D1N)
3.Arlington (D2M)
4.Somerset Berkley (D3S)
5.Wayland (D3C)
6.North Attleboro (D2S)
7.Natick (D2M)
8.Winchester (D2M)
9.Methuen (D1N)
10.Lowell (D1N)
11.Chelmsford (D1N)
12.Framingham (D1C)
13.Westford Academy (D1N)
14.Shawsheen Tech (D1N)
15.North Andover (D2N)
16.Plymouth South (D1S)
17.Hingham (D2S)
18.Catholic Memorial (D2M)
19.Norton (D3S)
20.Nashoba (D2C)
21.Lincoln Sudbury (D1C)
22.Lynnfield North Reading (D3N)
23.Lawrence (D1N)
24.Haverhill (D1N)
25.Billerica (D1N)


====== Individual Rankings ======

Top 5 Wrestlers, Pound For Pound =====

1. Jonathan Viruet Springfield Central (D1W) (G12)
2. Ian Butterbrodt St John's Prep (D1N) (G12)
3. Fritz Hoehn N. Andover (D2N) (G12)
4. Owen Murray Barnstable (D1S) (G12)
5. Jon Ryan Dracut (D2N) (G12)

Top Wrestlers, Per Class =====

Freshman:Josh Bechen Catholic Memorial (D2M)
Sophomore: Ryan Monteiro Minnechaug (D1W)
Junior: Kevin Morris Tyngsboro (D3N)
Senior: Jonathan Viruet Springfield Central (D1W)


106 ======
1.Kevin Morris Tyngsboro (D3N) (G11)
2.Conor Thompson Quabbin (D3C) (G9)
3.Jake Ferri Shawsheen Tech (D1N) (G10)
4.Mitch Raposa Durfee (D1S) (G10)
5.Cole Wyman Brockton (D1S) (G9)
6.Ricky Pulido Lowell (D1N)(G12)
7.Joey Sanchez Central Catholic (D2N) (G9)
8.Brett Wordell South Eastern (D2S) (G12)
9.Keith Gordon Springfield Central (D1W) (G10)
10.Trevor Morton Reading (D2N) (G9)


113 ======
1.Mike Aquino Catholic Memorial (D2M) (G12)
2.Chris DeRosa Billerica (D1N) (G10)
3.Matthew Garcia Springfield Central (D1W) (G10)
4.Brett Rezendes Bridgewater Raynham (D1S) (G10)
5.Colby Holland Danvers (D3N) (G9)
6.Casey Abshire Lowell (D1N) (G12)
7.Bradley Sowsy Lexington (D1C) (G12)
8.Jack Perry N. Andover (D2N) (G10)
9.Carter Lewis Duxbury (D2S) (G10)
10.Tom Kearney Arlington (D2M) (G12)


120 =======
1.Matt Kelley Foxboro (D3S) (G10)
2.Greg Zaw Sandwich (D3S) (G12)
3.Billy Wehring Methuen (D1N) (G11)
4.Nick Camacho Woburn (D2M) (G11)
5.Jack Kiely Central Catholic (D2N) (G12)
6.Ben Podmore East Longmeadow (D1W) (G12)
7.Josh Lee Burlington (D2N) (G9)
8.Connor Clasen Chelmsford (D1N) (G11)
9.Mike Coppola Franklin (D1C) (G12)
10.James Paull Pathfinder (D3W) (G10)

Honorable Mention-
Ryan Stanton Melrose (D3N) (G12)


126 =======
1.Andrew Ellis Arlington (D2M) (G12)
2.Kevin Thomas Natick (D2M) (G11)
3.Brett Layton Stoughton (D2S) (G11)
4.Rob McDonald Scituate (D3S) (G12)
5.Dan Pisani Franklin (D1C) (G12)
6.Jared Durkin Triton (D3N) (G9)
7.Griffin Murray Chelmsford (D1N) (G11)
8.Bryce Spinosa Shawsheen Tech (D1N) (G12)
9.Fox Maxwell Wilmington (D3N) (G11)
10.Max Whyman Lynnfield North Reading (D3N) (G12)


132 ======
1.Jon Ryan Dracut (D2N) (G12)
2.Josh Wesolowski Pentucket (D3N) (G12)
3.Russell Feye Lincoln Sudbury (D1C) (G12)
4.Bradley Lupiani Mt. Everett (D3W) (G12)
5.Nate Pacheco Somerset (D3S) (G11)
6.Tommy McDonough Westford (D1N) (G12)
7.Enderson Naar Winchester (D2M) (G12)
8.Keith Martin Catholic Memorial (D2M) (G11)
9.Austin Roche Algonquin (D2C) (G11)
10.Mike Gould North Attleboro (D2S) (G11)


138 ======
1.Ryan Monteiro Minnechaug (D1W) (G10)
2.Chris Behen Danvers (D3N) (G12)
3.Hunter Costa St John's Prep (D1N) (G11)
4.Brendan Weir Hampshire (D3W) (G12)
5.Lucas Cordio Nashoba (D2C) (G9)
6.Christian Echevarria Beverly (D2N) (G11)
7.Julio Escotto Lowell (D1N) (G12)
8.Austin Cooley Somerset-Berkley (D3S) (G9)
9.Steven Vercellone Pembroke (D2S) (G12)
10.Eric Rodriquez Springfield Central (D1W) (G11)


145 ======
1.Ronan Ball Nashoba Regional (D2C) (G11)
2.Pat Ferzoco Catholic Memorial (D2M) (G12)
3.Anthony Basile Agawam (D1W) (G12)
4.Rob Dicalogero Canton (D3C) (G12)
5.Matt Landry Sandwich (D3S) (G11)
6.Reece Millington Haverhill (D1N) (G11)
7.Brandon DesFosses Central Catholic (D2N) (G11)
8.Declan Heaslip Dedham (D3C) (G12)
9.Colin Boutin Hanover (D3S) (G11)
10.Kevin McGee Winchester (D2M) (G12)


152 ======
1.Luke Boyle Triton (D3N) (G12)
2.Davey Goodall Chelmsford (D1N) (G11)
3.Jake Stetson Framingham (D1C) (G12)
4.Quintin Holland Danvers (D3N) (G10)
5.Lukas Stavropoulous Arlington (D2M) (G12)
6.Adam Morton Reading (D2N) (G12)
7.Jordan Darby Winchester (D2M) (G12)
8.Michael Tylko Lincoln Sudbury (D1C) (G12)
9.Liam Grenham Lowell (D1N) (G10)
10.Devin Pelletier Mt. Greylock (D3W) (G10)


160 ======
1.Jonathan Viruet Springfield Central (D1W) (G12)
2.Brandon Weyant Hampshire (D3W) (G11)
3.Justin Freyermuth Plymouth North (D2S) (G12)
4.Brandon Sao Lowell (D1N) (G12)
5.Ryan Harty Plymouth South (D1S) (G12)
6.Donovan Nolan Central Catholic (D2N) (G11)
7.Eric Reyes Dedham (D3C) (G11)
8.Rafael Medina Lawrence (D1N) (G12)
9.Adam Peternell Westford Academy(D1N)(G12)
10.Anthony Fraumeni Winchester (D2M) (G11)


170 ======
1.Fritz Hoehn North Andover (D2N) (G12)
2.Jastice Bolden Springfield Central (D1W) (G12)
3.Darius Franklin Methuen (D1N) (G10)
4.Josh Bechen Catholic Memorial (D2M) (G9)
5.Kyle Mcquaide Chelmsford (D1N) (G11)
6.Kolby Smith Sabis (D3W) (G11)
7.Mark Leon-Duque Monument Mt. (D3W) (G12)
8.Nick Tesler Natick (D2M) (G12)
9.JJ O'Donnell Norwood (D2M) (G12)
10.Dylan Carreiro Bridgewater Raynham (D1S) (G12)


182 ======
1.Connor Humphries East Longmeadow (D1W) (G12)
2.Matt Froio Cohasset (D3S) (G12)
3.Ian Steckel Malden Catholic (D2M) (G12)
4.Henry Oberlander Xaverian (D1S) (G12)
5.Benton Whitley Minnechaug (D1W) (G10)
6.Malik Settles Lowell (D1N) (G11)
7.Stephen Cincotta North Andover (D2N) (G12)
8.Nimat Umarov West Springfield (D1W) (G12)
9.Mike Phillips Marlboro (D2C) (G11)
10.Joe Giralamo Stoughton (D2S) (G12)


195 ======
1.Jake O'Brien Framingham (D1C) (G12)
2.Dan Wensley Wakefield (D3N) (G12)
3.Brendan Benoit Pembroke (D2S) (G12)
4.Thomas Nocka Wellesley (D2M) (G12)
5.Jered Escribano Springfield Central (D1W) (G12)
6.William Fuller Bridgewater Raynham (D1S) (G12)
7.Luc Chretien Haverhill (D1N) (G11)
8.Fred Karl-Morin Agawam (D1W) (G12)
9.Broc Dokos Tewksbury (D2N) (G11)
10.Noah Bucher Scituate (D3S) (G11)


220 ======
1.Ian Butterbrodt St John's Prep (D1N) (G12)
2.Nick Rose Arlington (D2M) (G12)
3.Nolan Hodgins Granby (D3W) (G11)
4.Brad Basham Burlington (D2N) (G10)
5.Kenny Kern Xaverian (D1S) (G12)
6.Joe Fusco Shawsheen Tech (D1N) (G11)
7.Alex Kane Wakefield (D3N) (G12)
8.Jake Kennedy Nashoba (D2S) (G11)
9.Jim Karl-Morin Agawam (D1W) (G12)
10.Brandon Williams Framingham (D1C) (G12)


285 =======
1.Owen Murray Barnstable (D1S) (G12)
2.Josh Sokol Hopkinton (D2C) (G11)
3.Austin Shrewsbury Westfield (D1W) (G12)
4.Nick Day Northampton (D1W) (G12)
5.Brennan Sankey North Attleboro (D2S) (G11)
6.Phillip Fernandez Dean Tech (D3W) (G12)
7.Quinn Fallon Somerset Berkley (D3S) (G12)
8.Ryan Cove Chelmsford (D1N) (G11)
9.Bryan Nguyen Stoughton (D2S) (G12)
10.Ritchie Stamos Nashoba (D2C) (G12)
wrestling258
Mon Mar 09 2015, 05:41PM
Registered Member #9641
Joined: Tue Jan 05 2010, 04:35PM
Posts: 16
Just a comment Harty pinned freyermuth at marshfield then got dqed on a controversial call against Sao and I be that is the only common opponent so does freyermuth deserve to be ranked ahead of him
mrvinny
Mon Mar 09 2015, 05:56PM
Registered Member #1814
Joined: Wed Mar 02 2005, 12:17PM
Posts: 261
I understand dropping wrestlers when they are injured but winning a state title - Defosses in d2 and Reyes in d3 should count for more than placing 6th at All State
jbone123
Mon Mar 09 2015, 06:16PM
Registered Member #14381
Joined: Thu Feb 12 2015, 07:47PM
Posts: 3
At 145, I know Ronan Ball is the all state champion, but because Ferzoco beat him this past week, shouldn't he be number one?
masswrestle
Mon Mar 09 2015, 08:06PM
Registered Member #14183
Joined: Mon Dec 08 2014, 12:04PM
Posts: 24
Joe fusco beat Nolan Hodgins this weekend so he should be above him.
w1nbyp1n
Mon Mar 09 2015, 08:51PM
Registered Member #11536
Joined: Thu Jan 26 2012, 10:38AM
Posts: 278
I think Ellis Rose from scituate should be at least honorable mention at 120. Didn't wrestle all states do to injury but was ranked the week before , beat Paul twice the week before , and Stanton didn't finish the state tournament due to injury
BNWL
Mon Mar 09 2015, 09:04PM
Registered Member #381
Joined: Wed May 12 2004, 05:00PM
Posts: 99
Ferzoco should be #1 @ 145.
hodgiman
Mon Mar 09 2015, 09:22PM
Registered Member #5325
Joined: Thu Feb 01 2007, 01:55PM
Posts: 81
Joe fusco beat Nolan Hodgins this weekend so he should be above him
Nolan pinned him at All States...wrestled with the flu at New Englands!
speedkills
Mon Mar 09 2015, 10:00PM
Registered Member #8281
Joined: Sat Dec 27 2008, 10:44AM
Posts: 305
w1nbyp1n wrote ...

I think Ellis Rose from scituate should be at least honorable mention at 120. Didn't wrestle all states do to injury but was ranked the week before , beat Paul twice the week before , and Stanton didn't finish the state tournament due to injury



Unfortunately, and sorry but being injury free or fighting through those injuries to compete in post season is part of the sport of wrestling. There are many kids banged up in post season, but still compete to achieve their goals. A big part of wrestling is sustainability, and durability to last the season, that is how champions are made. Unexpected injuries happen, and good kids can't continue. But, don't take away the achievements for those that made it through the season and placed. This is a individual sport post season, ande being durable is part of the sport.
w1nbyp1n
Tue Mar 10 2015, 12:59AM
Registered Member #11536
Joined: Thu Jan 26 2012, 10:38AM
Posts: 278
speedkills wrote ...

w1nbyp1n wrote ...

I think Ellis Rose from scituate should be at least honorable mention at 120. Didn't wrestle all states do to injury but was ranked the week before , beat Paul twice the week before , and Stanton didn't finish the state tournament due to injury



Unfortunately, and sorry but being injury free or fighting through those injuries to compete in post season is part of the sport of wrestling. There are many kids banged up in post season, but still compete to achieve their goals. A big part of wrestling is sustainability, and durability to last the season, that is how champions are made. Unexpected injuries happen, and good kids can't continue. But, don't take away the achievements for those that made it through the season and placed. This is a individual sport post season, ande being durable is part of the sport.


Valid point , but he is clearly better than Paul if he beat him twice the week before and last I checked ryan Stanton wrestled like 20% of the season due to injury. Plus just a bonus note he took 3rd behind easily the two best kids at the weight
The Rankings Team
Tue Mar 10 2015, 06:50AM

Joined: Sun Feb 22 2004, 11:56AM
Posts: 198
jbone123 wrote ...

At 145, I know Ronan Ball is the all state champion, but because Ferzoco beat him this past week, shouldn't he be number one?


Ball placed ahead of Ferzoco at both States and All-States including winning All-States, Ferzoco placing 2 spots ahead of Ball at New Englands isn't enough to change that. We moved Ferzoco ahead of Basile for due to his placing at New Englands but Ball still had the better season and post season.
The Rankings Team
Tue Mar 10 2015, 06:55AM

Joined: Sun Feb 22 2004, 11:56AM
Posts: 198
Valid point , but he is clearly better than Paul if he beat him twice the week before and last I checked ryan Stanton wrestled like 20% of the season due to injury. Plus just a bonus note he took 3rd behind easily the two best kids at the weight

[/quote1425988269]

Stanton was undefeated on the season including wins over Kiely, Clasen and Lee, that is why we left him as an HM.
Rose's only win over someone ranked is over Paul and he has losses to people not ranked.
Jim Maher
Tue Mar 10 2015, 07:50AM

Joined: Mon Mar 29 2004, 08:09PM
Posts: 4670
So the kid Reyes beats on one leg is the second rated kid and Eric is 7th? Heaslip beats Dicalogero twice in sectional and states finals, but is ranked behind him because he doesn't place at AS??
JasonEzraGanz
Tue Mar 10 2015, 08:48AM
Registered Member #14151
Joined: Fri Nov 07 2014, 02:37PM
Posts: 52
Jim that is how it always has been with rankings on Masswrestling. If you miss all or part of the post season it affects your ranking. I doubt that the rankings team would create an exception just because of where the athlete wrestlers for. No one doubts that Eric is the #2 wrestler at that weight class, but the most recent rankings reflect the work up to that point. If he doesnt participate that has to be reflected somehow.
bostondad
Tue Mar 10 2015, 08:53AM
Registered Member #10956
Joined: Mon Jan 31 2011, 08:28PM
Posts: 115
The Rankings Team wrote ...

jbone123 wrote ...

At 145, I know Ronan Ball is the all state champion, but because Ferzoco beat him this past week, shouldn't he be number one?


Ball placed ahead of Ferzoco at both States and All-States including winning All-States, Ferzoco placing 2 spots ahead of Ball at New Englands isn't enough to change that. We moved Ferzoco ahead of Basile for due to his placing at New Englands but Ball still had the better season and post season.



The reason Ferzoco placed 2 spots ahead of Ball is because he beat him head to head.
Catfish
Tue Mar 10 2015, 09:33AM
Registered Member #11436
Joined: Mon Nov 14 2011, 07:52AM
Posts: 107
Another great year - thanks for the forum.
I believe Wensley earned #1 ranking at 195. Through All-State he had lost to only 1 wrestler the entire year (wrestled Lowell holiday). Often the phrase "it will be settled on the mat" is used when good folks have alternate opinions on rankings. At 195 the top 2 wrestlers at the weight class met in finals - with the highest level of competitive atmosphere and Wensley prevailed. A subsequent loss at NE when both wrestlers have placed in the tournament, does not trump the All State showdown. If they were 1-1 for season it seems odd to place a NE vicotory over the showdown for All State. It is relevant that this site ranked Wensley as 3 prior to All State, but he was ranked 1 at All State tournament. 2 great wrestlers -and the ranking should be based on All State showdown - anything else appears arbitrary.
The Rankings Team
Tue Mar 10 2015, 11:33AM

Joined: Sun Feb 22 2004, 11:56AM
Posts: 198
Catfish wrote ...

Another great year - thanks for the forum.
I believe Wensley earned #1 ranking at 195. Through All-State he had lost to only 1 wrestler the entire year (wrestled Lowell holiday). Often the phrase "it will be settled on the mat" is used when good folks have alternate opinions on rankings. At 195 the top 2 wrestlers at the weight class met in finals - with the highest level of competitive atmosphere and Wensley prevailed. A subsequent loss at NE when both wrestlers have placed in the tournament, does not trump the All State showdown. If they were 1-1 for season it seems odd to place a NE vicotory over the showdown for All State. It is relevant that this site ranked Wensley as 3 prior to All State, but he was ranked 1 at All State tournament. 2 great wrestlers -and the ranking should be based on All State showdown - anything else appears arbitrary.



It wasn't just a subsequent loss at NE, it was a loss in New Englands followed by O'Brien winning his next match and Wensley losing his next match, O'Brien finishing 3rd to Wensley's 6th is a significant enough difference to trump the win at All-States.
It's not really relevant that this site ranked Wensley 3rd prior to All-States. Wensley wasn't ranked 1 at the All-States, he was seeded 1, there is a difference. Wensley was ranked 3rd behind O'Brien and Fuller, Fuller wasn't a state champ so he wasn't in the seeding discussion for All-States, if he was Wensley would have been behind him since his loss was to Escribano who Fuller beat.
speedkills
Tue Mar 10 2015, 05:05PM
Registered Member #8281
Joined: Sat Dec 27 2008, 10:44AM
Posts: 305
The Rankings Team wrote ...

Catfish wrote ...

Another great year - thanks for the forum.
I believe Wensley earned #1 ranking at 195. Through All-State he had lost to only 1 wrestler the entire year (wrestled Lowell holiday). Often the phrase "it will be settled on the mat" is used when good folks have alternate opinions on rankings. At 195 the top 2 wrestlers at the weight class met in finals - with the highest level of competitive atmosphere and Wensley prevailed. A subsequent loss at NE when both wrestlers have placed in the tournament, does not trump the All State showdown. If they were 1-1 for season it seems odd to place a NE vicotory over the showdown for All State. It is relevant that this site ranked Wensley as 3 prior to All State, but he was ranked 1 at All State tournament. 2 great wrestlers -and the ranking should be based on All State showdown - anything else appears arbitrary.



It wasn't just a subsequent loss at NE, it was a loss in New Englands followed by O'Brien winning his next match and Wensley losing his next match, O'Brien finishing 3rd to Wensley's 6th is a significant enough difference to trump the win at All-States.
It's not really relevant that this site ranked Wensley 3rd prior to All-States. Wensley wasn't ranked 1 at the All-States, he was seeded 1, there is a difference. Wensley was ranked 3rd behind O'Brien and Fuller, Fuller wasn't a state champ so he wasn't in the seeding discussion for All-States, if he was Wensley would have been behind him since his loss was to Escribano who Fuller beat.



Then perhaps you would use the same argument at 120. At NE, Saw placed in top 6, Billy placed in Top 8 and Kelley placed top 12? Significant difference between Kelley and Saw. I can go eitherway with Kelley and Billy, 1 match separated distance at NE, but 1 match can be considered significant with the high level talent present. Common opponents: At NE Billy beat Shorey ME1, Kelly lost to Shorey. AllStates: Kelly beat Saw in Allstates but has losses to Saw during regular season, and Billy losses to Saw in Semi's.
wrestling258
Tue Mar 10 2015, 05:13PM
Registered Member #9641
Joined: Tue Jan 05 2010, 04:35PM
Posts: 16
speedkills wrote ...

The Rankings Team wrote ...

Catfish wrote ...

Another great year - thanks for the forum.
I believe Wensley earned #1 ranking at 195. Through All-State he had lost to only 1 wrestler the entire year (wrestled Lowell holiday). Often the phrase "it will be settled on the mat" is used when good folks have alternate opinions on rankings. At 195 the top 2 wrestlers at the weight class met in finals - with the highest level of competitive atmosphere and Wensley prevailed. A subsequent loss at NE when both wrestlers have placed in the tournament, does not trump the All State showdown. If they were 1-1 for season it seems odd to place a NE vicotory over the showdown for All State. It is relevant that this site ranked Wensley as 3 prior to All State, but he was ranked 1 at All State tournament. 2 great wrestlers -and the ranking should be based on All State showdown - anything else appears arbitrary.



It wasn't just a subsequent loss at NE, it was a loss in New Englands followed by O'Brien winning his next match and Wensley losing his next match, O'Brien finishing 3rd to Wensley's 6th is a significant enough difference to trump the win at All-States.
It's not really relevant that this site ranked Wensley 3rd prior to All-States. Wensley wasn't ranked 1 at the All-States, he was seeded 1, there is a difference. Wensley was ranked 3rd behind O'Brien and Fuller, Fuller wasn't a state champ so he wasn't in the seeding discussion for All-States, if he was Wensley would have been behind him since his loss was to Escribano who Fuller beat.



Then perhaps you would use the same argument at 120. At NE, Saw placed in top 6, Billy placed in Top 8 and Kelley placed top 12? Significant difference between Kelley and Saw. I can go eitherway with Kelley and Billy, 1 match separated distance at NE, but 1 match can be considered significant with the high level talent present. Common opponents: At NE Billy beat Shorey ME1, Kelly lost to Shorey. AllStates: Kelly beat Saw in Allstates but has losses to Saw during regular season, and Billy losses to Saw in Semi's.

Jelly never lost to zaw he went undefeated until new England's
LibertyMikeC
Tue Mar 10 2015, 05:15PM
Registered Member #8105
Joined: Sat Nov 22 2008, 02:46PM
Posts: 287
Kelley was 4-0 against Zaw this year...beat Zaw in beginning of year, and also beat Zaw in Sectional finals, D3 State Finals, and All State Finals
speedkills
Tue Mar 10 2015, 05:25PM
Registered Member #8281
Joined: Sat Dec 27 2008, 10:44AM
Posts: 305
LibertyMikeC wrote ...

Kelley was 4-0 against Zaw this year...beat Zaw in beginning of year, and also beat Zaw in Sectional finals, D3 State Finals, and All State Finals


My bad, then it may have been last year?? which would be non relevant.
mrvinny
Tue Mar 10 2015, 05:43PM
Registered Member #1814
Joined: Wed Mar 02 2005, 12:17PM
Posts: 261
Regarding injuries. I still think winning a state title should carry more weight than finishing 6th at All Stated. I know the ranking committee has a hard job but automatically dropping a state winner to 7th seems overly simplistic
The Rankings Team
Tue Mar 10 2015, 05:56PM

Joined: Sun Feb 22 2004, 11:56AM
Posts: 198
speedkills wrote ...

The Rankings Team wrote ...

Catfish wrote ...

Another great year - thanks for the forum.
I believe Wensley earned #1 ranking at 195. Through All-State he had lost to only 1 wrestler the entire year (wrestled Lowell holiday). Often the phrase "it will be settled on the mat" is used when good folks have alternate opinions on rankings. At 195 the top 2 wrestlers at the weight class met in finals - with the highest level of competitive atmosphere and Wensley prevailed. A subsequent loss at NE when both wrestlers have placed in the tournament, does not trump the All State showdown. If they were 1-1 for season it seems odd to place a NE vicotory over the showdown for All State. It is relevant that this site ranked Wensley as 3 prior to All State, but he was ranked 1 at All State tournament. 2 great wrestlers -and the ranking should be based on All State showdown - anything else appears arbitrary.



It wasn't just a subsequent loss at NE, it was a loss in New Englands followed by O'Brien winning his next match and Wensley losing his next match, O'Brien finishing 3rd to Wensley's 6th is a significant enough difference to trump the win at All-States.
It's not really relevant that this site ranked Wensley 3rd prior to All-States. Wensley wasn't ranked 1 at the All-States, he was seeded 1, there is a difference. Wensley was ranked 3rd behind O'Brien and Fuller, Fuller wasn't a state champ so he wasn't in the seeding discussion for All-States, if he was Wensley would have been behind him since his loss was to Escribano who Fuller beat.



Then perhaps you would use the same argument at 120. At NE, Saw placed in top 6, Billy placed in Top 8 and Kelley placed top 12? Significant difference between Kelley and Saw. I can go eitherway with Kelley and Billy, 1 match separated distance at NE, but 1 match can be considered significant with the high level talent present. Common opponents: At NE Billy beat Shorey ME1, Kelly lost to Shorey. AllStates: Kelly beat Saw in Allstates but has losses to Saw during regular season, and Billy losses to Saw in Semi's.


We aren't sure how this is the same argument, as 120 is much more clear cut than 195. Wensley and O'Brien were 1-1 vs eachother. Wensley was 1st All States/6th New England, while O'Brien was 2nd All States/3rd New England. O'Brien's only loss in MA was the one to Wensley, while Wensley lost to O'Brien had two other losses in state to Escribano.


At 120-
Kelley- 1st sectionals, 1st D3, 1st All States, DNP NE's. 4-0 vs. Zaw, undefeated in MA
Zaw- 2nd sectionals, 2nd D3, 2nd All States, 6th NE's. 0-4 vs. Kelley, 1-0 vs Wehring, no other losses in MA
Wehring- 1st sectionals, 1st D1, 3rd All States, DNP NE's. 0-1 vs. Zaw, also lost to Kiely in-season

The top 3 at 120 are pretty clear cut. Wehring does have the common opponent over Kelley from NE's, and Zaw did place while Kelley didn't, but given all the other facts it isn't enough to change the rankings.




speedkills
Tue Mar 10 2015, 06:05PM
Registered Member #8281
Joined: Sat Dec 27 2008, 10:44AM
Posts: 305
The Rankings Team wrote ...

speedkills wrote ...

The Rankings Team wrote ...

Catfish wrote ...

Another great year - thanks for the forum.
I believe Wensley earned #1 ranking at 195. Through All-State he had lost to only 1 wrestler the entire year (wrestled Lowell holiday). Often the phrase "it will be settled on the mat" is used when good folks have alternate opinions on rankings. At 195 the top 2 wrestlers at the weight class met in finals - with the highest level of competitive atmosphere and Wensley prevailed. A subsequent loss at NE when both wrestlers have placed in the tournament, does not trump the All State showdown. If they were 1-1 for season it seems odd to place a NE vicotory over the showdown for All State. It is relevant that this site ranked Wensley as 3 prior to All State, but he was ranked 1 at All State tournament. 2 great wrestlers -and the ranking should be based on All State showdown - anything else appears arbitrary.



It wasn't just a subsequent loss at NE, it was a loss in New Englands followed by O'Brien winning his next match and Wensley losing his next match, O'Brien finishing 3rd to Wensley's 6th is a significant enough difference to trump the win at All-States.
It's not really relevant that this site ranked Wensley 3rd prior to All-States. Wensley wasn't ranked 1 at the All-States, he was seeded 1, there is a difference. Wensley was ranked 3rd behind O'Brien and Fuller, Fuller wasn't a state champ so he wasn't in the seeding discussion for All-States, if he was Wensley would have been behind him since his loss was to Escribano who Fuller beat.



Then perhaps you would use the same argument at 120. At NE, Saw placed in top 6, Billy placed in Top 8 and Kelley placed top 12? Significant difference between Kelley and Saw. I can go eitherway with Kelley and Billy, 1 match separated distance at NE, but 1 match can be considered significant with the high level talent present. Common opponents: At NE Billy beat Shorey ME1, Kelly lost to Shorey. AllStates: Kelly beat Saw in Allstates but has losses to Saw during regular season, and Billy losses to Saw in Semi's.


We aren't sure how this is the same argument, as 120 is much more clear cut than 195. Wensley and O'Brien were 1-1 vs eachother. Wensley was 1st All States/6th New England, while O'Brien was 2nd All States/3rd New England. O'Brien's only loss in MA was the one to Wensley, while Wensley lost to O'Brien had two other losses in state to Escribano.


At 120-
Kelley- 1st sectionals, 1st D3, 1st All States, DNP NE's. 4-0 vs. Zaw, undefeated in MA
Zaw- 2nd sectionals, 2nd D3, 2nd All States, 6th NE's. 0-4 vs. Kelley, 1-0 vs Wehring, no other losses in MA
Wehring- 1st sectionals, 1st D1, 3rd All States, DNP NE's. 0-1 vs. Zaw, also lost to Kiely in-season

The top 3 at 120 are pretty clear cut. Wehring does have the common opponent over Kelley from NE's, and Zaw did place while Kelley didn't, but given all the other facts it isn't enough to change the rankings.







Agreed...I thought Saw beat Kelley this year, but that was my bad.
TechFall101
Tue Mar 10 2015, 07:45PM
Registered Member #13724
Joined: Sun Jan 05 2014, 05:39PM
Posts: 2
Questions about final rankings
1. I think that both luke Boyle and jon ryan should be ranked ahead of Owen Murray on the pound for pound rankings. Boyle won new englands and ryan took 3rd only losing to cannone. Yes Murray also but I believe they should be ahead of him.
2. Connor Thompson should be the top freshman considering he won states made all state finals and placed at new englands while Bechen made state finals took 4th at all states and didn't place at new englands
3. Rezendo should be ahead of garcia he beat him in the semis of all states. Yes garcia placed at new englands but they both had the same loses to Aquino and foster the only thing different is garcia went 1-1 with foster. With two wrestlers this close I think the head to head should determine it.
4. Russell feye should be ahead of josh wesolowski. Feye beat him in the semis off all states and I know wesolowski beat a wrestler feye lost to and placed at New Englands I think the head to head win should put feye over wesolowski.
5. Ryan Stanton should not be an honorable mention he wrestled up to Lowell then defaulted out after a win and before he faced the top wrestlers. He then didn't wrestle until sectionals which he won then defaulted out of states before he could face zaw or kelley.
6. Ryan Harty should be third he pinned freyermouth at marshfield and got DQed against Sao at all states due to a questionable call.
Thank you for all the work you do I hope you consider my changes on the final rankings next week
Go to page: Go to page  [1] 2 3          << Previous thread | Next thread >>

Jump:     Back to top



Moderators: Mike Atlas, CoachMiller, The Rankings Team, JMode, Shvarts, eoghanjames, Jim Maher, plm_77, jubele135, Hill Billy, psch, tourneygeek, NE_07, Sam Shames, Chicken Wing Coach, New England Rankings, matchamp99, Nuge
Click to see our RSS feeds available -->
Recent Wrestling Boxscores
see all | submit | rss

02/09/2017----------
Barnstable-40
Plymouth North-15
02/08/2017----------
Weymouth-17
Walpole-52
02/08/2017----------
North Attleboro-51
Oliver Ames-12
Newest Posts
Re: NE GOLD, 2017 agenda,wrestling for all levels
First night is March 6th. , Monday after New ...
Posted by Coach C
Feb 25 17 : 06:58

Re: New England Spring Duals 4/22-23/2017
Boston Youth Wrestling (middle school) and Ne...
Posted by Coach C
Feb 25 17 : 06:55

Gold Medal Wrestling Club (Harvard Unv)
The Malkin Athletic Center at Harvard Univers...
Posted by tabdura2
Feb 24 17 : 17:20

Re: New England Pride Wrestling Scholarship
Apply soon!
Posted by matchamp99
Feb 24 17 : 14:12

Re: $1000 Peckham Scholarship for graduating seniors who are wrestling in college
Don't forget to apply ASAP!!
Posted by matchamp99
Feb 24 17 : 14:11

Re: 2017 Massachasetts Chapter of the National Wrestling Hall of Fame Banquet at Gillette Stadium
Tickets are discounted at $85 instead of...
Posted by matchamp99
Feb 24 17 : 14:11

Nik's Olympic School 2017-2018 School Year Schedule
2017-2018 school year schedule for Nik's Olym...
Posted by NiksOlympicSchool
Feb 24 17 : 13:24

Support MassWrestling. Click a link!