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2014-15 MassWrestling Rankings as of 24-FEB-2015  Go to page  [1] 2
The Rankings Team
Tue Feb 24 2015, 11:39AM

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Here are the rankings prior to All States. Remember- these are rankings and not predictions, and everything will be worked out this weekend.

Be sure to include the full name of the wrestler, weight class, grade, team name, and the same goes for any opponents they may have beat. The only information we use is the information you post here or send to the rankings mailbox. You can either post here to this thread, or email rankings @ masswrestling.com

PLEASE don't
directly message or email Mike Atlas about the rankings, even if you see him posting about them! He does not work on the rankings.



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2014-2015 Rankings

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Dual Meet Team Rankings

1.Springfield Central (D1W)
2.St. John's Prep (D1N)
3.Arlington (D2M)
4.Somerset Berkley (D3S)
5.Wayland (D3C)
6.North Attleboro (D2S)
7.Natick (D2M)
8.Winchester (D2M)
9.Methuen (D1N)
10.Lowell (D1N)
11.Chelmsford (D1N)
12.Framingham (D1C)
13.Westford Academy (D1N)
14.Shawsheen Tech (D1N)
15.North Andover (D2N)
16.Plymouth South (D1S)
17.Hingham (D2S)
18.Catholic Memorial (D2M)
19.Norton (D3S)
20.Nashoba (D2C)
21.Lincoln Sudbury (D1C)
22.Lynnfield North Reading (D3N)
23.Lawrence (D1N)
24.Haverhill (D1N)
25.Billerica (D1N)


====== Individual Rankings ======

Top 5 Wrestlers, Pound For Pound =====

1. Jonathan Viruet Springfield Central (D1W) (G12)
2. Ian Butterbrodt St John's Prep (D1N) (G12)
3. Eric Reyes Dedham (D3C) (G11)
4. Mike Aquino Catholic Memorial (D2M) (G12)
5. Fritz Hoehn N. Andover (D2N) (G12)


Top Wrestlers, Per Class =====

Freshman:Josh Bechen Catholic Memorial (D2M)
Sophomore: Matt Kelley Foxboro (D3S)
Junior: Eric Reyes Dedham (D3C)
Senior: Jonathan Viruet Springfield Central (D1W)



106 ======
1.Conor Thompson Quabbin (D3C) (G9)
2.Kevin Morris Tyngsboro (D3N) (G11)
3.Joey Sanchez Central Catholic (D2N) (G9)
4.Jake Ferri Shawsheen Tech (D1N) (G10)
5.Mitch Raposa Durfee (D1S) (G10)
6.Brett Wordell South Eastern (D2S) (G12)
7.Keith Gordon Springfield Central (D1W) (G10)
8.Cole Wyman Brockton (D1S) (G9)
9.Andy Richard Lincoln-Sudbury (D1C) (G10)
10.Ricky Pulido Lowell (D1N)(G12)

Honorable Mention-
Trevor Morton Reading (D2N) (G9)



113 ======
1.Mike Aquino Catholic Memorial (D2M) (G12)
2.Chris DeRosa Billerica (D1N) (G10)
3.Matthew Garcia Springfield Central (D1W) (G10)
4.Brett Rezendes Bridgewater Raynham (D1S) (G10)
5.Jack Perry N. Andover (D2N) (G10)
6.Tom Kearney Arlington (D2M) (G12)
7.Bradley Sowsy Lexington (D1C) (G12)
8.Colby Holland Danvers (D3N) (G9)
9.Casey Abshire Lowell (D1N) (G12)
10.Devon Spratt N. Attleboro (D2S) (G11)

Honorable Mention-
Carter Lewis Duxbury (D2S) (G10)
Riley Jacobson Minnechaug (D1W) (G11)



120 =======
1.Matt Kelley Foxboro (D3S) (G10)
2.Greg Zaw Sandwich (D3S) (G12)
3.Josh Lee Burlington (D2N) (G9)
4.Nick Camacho Woburn (D2M) (G11)
5.Jack Kiely Central Catholic (D2N) (G12)
6.Billy Wehring Methuen (D1N) (G11)
7.Connor Clasen Chelmsford (D1N) (G11)
8.Ben Podmore East Longmeadow (D1W) (G12)
9.Mike Coppola Franklin (D1C) (G12)
10.Ellis Rose Scituate (D3S) (G12)

Honorable Mention-
Ryan Stanton Melrose (D3N) (G12)



126 =======
1.Andrew Ellis Arlington (D2M) (G12)
2.Griffin Murray Chelmsford (D1N) (G11)
3.Dan Pisani Franklin (D1C) (G12)
4.Kevin Thomas Natick (D2M) (G11)
5.Brett Layton Stoughton (D2S) (G11)
6.Rob McDonald Scituate (D3S) (G12)
7.Victor Guzman Lawrence (D1N) (G12)
8.Bryce Spinosa Shawsheen Tech (D1N) (G12)
9.Jared Durkin Triton (D3N) (G9)
10.Fox Maxwell Wilmington (D3N) (G11)



132 ======
1.Jon Ryan Dracut (D2N) (G12)
2.Josh Wesolowski Pentucket (D3N) (G12)
3.Russell Feye Lincoln Sudbury (D1C) (G12)
4.Enderson Naar Winchester (D2M) (G12)
5.Drew Guadagno Plymouth South (D1S) G12)
6.Bradley Lupiani Mt. Everett (D3W) (G12)
7.Keith Martin Catholic Memorial (D2M) (G11)
8.Tyler Ferris Andover (D1N) (G12)
9.Tommy McDonough Westford (D1N) (G12)
10.Austin Roche Algonquin (D2C) (G11)

Honorable Mention-
Mike Gould North Attleboro (D2S) (G11)
Blacker Romero Durfee (D1S) (G11)
Chris Vega Dean Tech (D3W) (G12)



138 ======
1.Chris Behen Danvers (D3N) (G12)
2.Brendan Weir Hampshire (D3W) (G12)
3.Ryan Monteiro Minnechaug (D1W) (G10)
4.Hunter Costa St John's Prep (D1N) (G11)
5.Lucas Cordio Nashoba (D2C) (G9)
6.Julio Escotto Lowell (D1N) (G12)
7.Travis Hilchey Mt Greylock (D3W) (G12)
8.Jared Garcia Marshfield (D2S) (G11)
9.Steven Vercellone Pembroke (D2S) (G12)
10.Eric Rodriquez Springfield Central (D1W) (G11)

Honorable Mention-
Garrett Ludwig Winchester (D2M) (G12)
Christian Echevarria Beverly (D2N) (G11)
Austin Cooley Somerset-Berkley (D3S) (G9)



145 ======
1.Brandon DesFosses Central Catholic (D2N) (G11)
2.Ronan Ball Nashoba Regional (D2C) (G11)
3.Pat Ferzoco Catholic Memorial (D2M) (G12)
4.Anthony Basile Agawam (D1W) (G12)
5.Declan Heaslip Dedham (D3C) (G12)
6.Marlen Lamas Framingham (D1C) (G11)
7.Reece Millington Haverhill (D1N) (G11)
8.Rob Dicalogero Canton (D3C) (G12)
9.Matt Landry Sandwich (D3S) (G11)
10.Josh Merrifield Shawsheen Tech (D1N) (G12)



152 ======
1.Davey Goodall Chelmsford (D1N) (G11)
2.Jake Stetson Framingham (D1C) (G12)
3.Quintin Holland Danvers (D3N) (G10)
4.Luke Boyle Triton (D3N) (G12)
5.Adam Morton Reading (D2N) (G12)
6.Jordan Darby Winchester (D2M) (G12)
7.Lukas Stavropoulous Arlington (D2M) (G12)
8.Devin Pelletier Mt. Greylock (D3W)
9.Constantine Galanis Georgetown/Ipswich (D3N) (G12)
10.Michael Tylko Lincoln Sudbury (D1C) (G12)

Honorable Mention-
Liam Grenham Lowell (D1N) (G10)
Steven McDermott BC High (D1S) (G12)



160 ======
1.Jonathan Viruet Springfield Central (D1W) (G12)
2.Eric Reyes Dedham (D3C) (G11)
3.Ryan Harty Plymouth South (D1S) (G12)
4.Justin Freyermuth Plymouth North (D2S) (G12)
5.Anthony Fraumeni Winchester (D2M) (G11)
6.Adam Peternell Westford Academy(D1N)(G12)
7.Rafael Medina Lawrence (D1N) (G12)
8.Brandon Sao Lowell (D1N) (G12)
9.Brandon Weyant Hampshire (D3W) (G11)
10.Jake Kalio Nashoba (D2C) (G12)

Honorable Mention-
Donovan Nolan Central Catholic (D2N) (G11)
Mitch Prario Somerset Berkley (D3S) (G11)
Justin Perez Dean Tech (D3W) (G12)



170 ======
1.Fritz Hoehn North Andover (D2N) (G12)
2.Jastice Bolden Springfield Central (D1W) (G12)
3.Josh Bechen Catholic Memorial (D2M) (G9)
4.Darius Franklin Methuen (D1N) (G10)
5.Kyle Mcquaide Chelmsford (D1N) (G11)
6.Nick Tesler Natick (D2M) (G12)
7.JJ O'Donnell Norwood (D2M) (G12)
8.Dylan Carreiro Bridgewater Raynham (D1S) (G12)
9.Nick Blais Agawam (D1W) (G12)
10.Kolby Smith Sabis (D3W) (G11)



182 ======
1.Matt Froio Cohasset (D3S) (G12)
2.Connor Humphries East Longmeadow (D1W) (G12)
3.Stephen Cincotta North Andover (D2N) (G12)
4.Benton Whitley Minnechaug (D1W) (G10)
5.Nimat Umarov West Springfield (D1W) (G12)
6.Nick Koury Springfield Central (D1W) G12)
7.Henry Oberlander Xaverian (D1S) (G12)
8.Ian Steckel Malden Catholic (D2M) (G12)
9.Joe Giralamo Stoughton (D2S) (G12)
10.Brendan Roach Quabbin (D3C) (G12)



195 ======
1.Jake O'Brien Framingham (D1C) (G12)
2.William Fuller Bridgewater Raynham (D1S) (G12)
3.Dan Wensley Wakefield (D3N) (G12)
4.Brendan Benoit Pembroke (D2S) (G12)
5.Thomas Nocka Wellesley (D2M) (G12)
6.Luc Chretien Haverhill (D1N) (G11)
7.Jered Escribano Springfield Central (D1W) (G12)
8.Fred Karl-Morin Agawam (D1W) (G12)
9.Broc Dokos Tewksbury (D2N) (G11)
10.Noah Bucher Scituate (D3S) (G11)

Honorable Mention-
Jacob Bastarache Natick (D2M) (G11)



220 ======
1.Ian Butterbrodt St John's Prep (D1N) (G12)
2.Kenny Kern Xaverian (D1S) (G12)
3.Brandon Williams Framingham (D1C) (G12)
4.Nick Rose Arlington (D2M) (G12)
5.Alex Kane Wakefield (D3N) (G12)
6.Brad Basham Burlington (D2N) (G10)
7.Nolan Hodgins Granby (D3W) (G11)
8.Ryan Pinkham Springfield Central (D1W) (G10)
9.Jim Karl-Morin Agawam (D1W) (G12)
10.Jake Kennedy Nashoba (D2S) (G11)

Honorable Mention-
Mike Alberghini Plymouth North (D2S) (G12)
Huessein Kanaan Natick (D2M) (G12)
Jack Pamir Lincoln Sudbury (D1C) (G12)
Conrad Lavoie Hopkinton (D2C) (G12)



285 =======
1.Owen Murray Barnstable (D1S) (G12)
2.Austin Shrewsbury Westfield (D1W) (G12)
3.Josh Sokol Hopkinton (D2C) (G11)
4.Nick Day Northampton (D1W) (G12)
5.Quinn Fallon Somerset Berkley (D3S) (G12)
6.Phillip Fernandez Dean Tech (D3W) (G12)
7.Bryan Nguyen Stoughton (D2S) (G12)
8.Ritchie Stamos Nashoba (D2C) (G12)
9.Dakota Dubois West Springfield (D1W) (G12)
10.Sidney Taylor Whittier Tech (D2N)

Honorable Mention-
Brennan Sankey North Attleboro (D2S) (G11)
Dillon Higgins Billerica (D1N) (G12)
Ryan Cove Chelmsford (D1N) (G11)
Matt Ferraro Reading (D2N) (G12)
montytech160
Tue Feb 24 2015, 04:06PM
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195 9. Broc Dokos tewksbury (D2N) (G11) has beaten 6. Luc Cretian of Haverhill (D1N) (G11) twice. Once by pin at lowell holidays, and once by 4-2 decision at dual meet, he has only lost to him once by 5-4 at sons of italy. I think Broc should be ranked higher than him is all. But they're wrestling first round in the all states so should be a fun match to see.
The Rankings Team
Tue Feb 24 2015, 05:15PM

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montytech160 wrote ...

195 9. Broc Dokos tewksbury (D2N) (G11) has beaten 6. Luc Cretian of Haverhill (D1N) (G11) twice. Once by pin at lowell holidays, and once by 4-2 decision at dual meet, he has only lost to him once by 5-4 at sons of italy. I think Broc should be ranked higher than him is all. But they're wrestling first round in the all states so should be a fun match to see.


The reason that Chretien moved up is because he placed 3rd at D1 States, beating Escribano in the 3rd/4th match and placing above Karl-Morin. This year Escribano has wins over Wensley, Nocka, and Karl-Morin, Karl-Morin and Nocka beat Dokos, etc. At this point in the season situations like this one are inevitable, and post season results hold a little more weight.
Catfish
Wed Feb 25 2015, 12:30PM
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I see Meaney - Woburn 220 is off rankings. Missed sectionals due to injury but I hope when the final rankings come out he is at least honorable mention. He was top 8 all year and battled hard in Middlesex League - beating some top names. I think he has earned the honor of being listed.
The Rankings Team
Wed Feb 25 2015, 12:53PM

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Catfish wrote ...

I see Meaney - Woburn 220 is off rankings. Missed sectionals due to injury but I hope when the final rankings come out he is at least honorable mention. He was top 8 all year and battled hard in Middlesex League - beating some top names. I think he has earned the honor of being listed.


We VERY RARELY rank anyone who doesn't wrestle sectionals. Staying healthy is part of the sport, it's not fair to those who did compete to rank someone who did not.
Riter
Wed Feb 25 2015, 03:37PM
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This has been inconsistent over the years in the rankings and I've broached the subject several times. If you beat the number one ranked wrestler are you now the number one ranked wrestler? There is proof in these rankings over the years that the answer to this question changes? How does quabbin 106 get to number one and bypass everyone on the way? Because he beat the number one ranked wrestler who may or may not have wrestled the others in between? Disagree? Fair or not? A matter of a opinion as to how this should work? Whatever, it just needs to be consistent.
Riter
Wed Feb 25 2015, 03:42PM
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Oh and BTW Franklin at 170 did not beat McQuaide. He could not continue in the sectional finals (questionable call) due to injury and therefore was given the title. Franklin was losing the match when this occurred FYI.
The Rankings Team
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Riter wrote ...

This has been inconsistent over the years in the rankings and I've broached the subject several times. If you beat the number one ranked wrestler are you now the number one ranked wrestler? There is proof in these rankings over the years that the answer to this question changes? How does quabbin 106 get to number one and bypass everyone on the way? Because he beat the number one ranked wrestler who may or may not have wrestled the others in between? Disagree? Fair or not? A matter of a opinion as to how this should work? Whatever, it just needs to be consistent.


Can you please give us an example of where this is inconsistent?
Are you talking about if someone didn't wrestle sectionals?
The Quabbin wrestler is undefeated (as far as we know), he just beat the #1 wrestler at his weight, we see no reason why he wouldn't be #1. Same reason he got the #1 seed at All-States.
If you beat the #1 ranked wrestler and have other losses that is a different story, maybe the #1 wrestler moves down, maybe there is now a go around.

If you can provide us some examples we can try to explain our thinking and methodology.
montytech160
Wed Feb 25 2015, 04:11PM
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The Rankings Team wrote ...

Riter wrote ...

This has been inconsistent over the years in the rankings and I've broached the subject several times. If you beat the number one ranked wrestler are you now the number one ranked wrestler? There is proof in these rankings over the years that the answer to this question changes? How does quabbin 106 get to number one and bypass everyone on the way? Because he beat the number one ranked wrestler who may or may not have wrestled the others in between? Disagree? Fair or not? A matter of a opinion as to how this should work? Whatever, it just needs to be consistent.


Can you please give us an example of where this is inconsistent?
Are you talking about if someone didn't wrestle sectionals?
The Quabbin wrestler is undefeated (as far as we know), he just beat the #1 wrestler at his weight, we see no reason why he wouldn't be #1. Same reason he got the #1 seed at All-States.
If you beat the #1 ranked wrestler and have other losses that is a different story, maybe the #1 wrestler moves down, maybe there is now a go around.

If you can provide us some examples we can try to explain our thinking and methodology.

He actually does have 1 loss. Morris in triple ot in the 1st meet of the season.
standinggranby
Wed Feb 25 2015, 04:50PM
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Morris beat Thompson this year but who cares Allstates is 2 days away.
wyryri
Thu Feb 26 2015, 12:04AM
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Nate Pacheco Somerset-Berkley at 132 was either ranked or HM all year, Made All-States and now is dropped? Assuming it's an oversight?
Catfish
Thu Feb 26 2015, 06:43AM
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standinggranby wrote ...

Morris beat Thompson this year but who cares Allstates is 2 days away.


If they meet again in finals it will be great wrestling. Morris will be bringing a week of extra determination to the mat this week .
Jordan Paecht
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wyryri wrote ...

Nate Pacheco Somerset-Berkley at 132 was either ranked or HM all year, Made All-States and now is dropped? Assuming it's an oversight?


How is that an oversight, the last kid ranked at his weight beat him head to head in Division 3 States. The rankings team rarely adds 3 honorable mentions, and in this case there is no reason to add a fourth.
speedkills
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AllState results should be reflected soon, as I can tell many changes are looming....and lb for lb should be modified based on performance past week...

Just my opinion, if someone can't compete in Allstates, for whatever reason, they should not be reflected in the Top 8 ranking. That is part of the sport of wrestling as unfortunate as it is. Ie Health, injury free, sustainability is critical..etc, . I am adamant about giving kids that competed, the credit they deserve. Not implying those that didn't compete due to injury, missing weight, health, etc. wouldn't have placed, but suggesting don't diminish the recognition for those that did that gave blood, sweat and tears to place in Top 8.
montytech160
Wed Mar 04 2015, 07:08PM
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speedkills wrote ...

AllState results should be reflected soon, as I can tell many changes are looming....and lb for lb should be modified based on performance past week...

Just my opinion, if someone can't compete in Allstates, for whatever reason, they should not be reflected in the Top 8 ranking. That is part of the sport of wrestling as unfortunate as it is. Ie Health, injury free, sustainability is critical..etc, . I am adamant about giving kids that competed, the credit they deserve. Not implying those that didn't compete due to injury, missing weight, health, etc. wouldn't have placed, but suggesting don't diminish the recognition for those that did that gave blood, sweat and tears to place in Top 8.

So you're basically saying that Eric Reyes shouldn't be ranked even though he had 1 loss and beat the guy who took 2nd a week prior? All because he didn't compete at All States?
speedkills
Wed Mar 04 2015, 07:17PM
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montytech160 wrote ...

speedkills wrote ...

AllState results should be reflected soon, as I can tell many changes are looming....and lb for lb should be modified based on performance past week...

Just my opinion, if someone can't compete in Allstates, for whatever reason, they should not be reflected in the Top 8 ranking. That is part of the sport of wrestling as unfortunate as it is. Ie Health, injury free, sustainability is critical..etc, . I am adamant about giving kids that competed, the credit they deserve. Not implying those that didn't compete due to injury, missing weight, health, etc. wouldn't have placed, but suggesting don't diminish the recognition for those that did that gave blood, sweat and tears to place in Top 8.

So you're basically saying that Eric Reyes shouldn't be ranked even though he had 1 loss and beat the guy who took 2nd a week prior? All because he didn't compete at All States?


Of course you would use Reyes...haha But, yes.. he did not compete, and did not end the season in Top 8 for AllState. So next year is next year. And of course he will regain his status fast enough, assuming he comes back healthy. And you know Reyes is an exception to the rule across multiple weight classes, knowing his skill level. But, give the kids that competed the recognition they deserve this year, is all I am suggesting. Staying healthy and injury free, demonstrating sustainability is part of the sport of wrestling.. just saying.
nb135
Wed Mar 04 2015, 07:20PM
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speedkills wrote ...

montytech160 wrote ...

speedkills wrote ...

AllState results should be reflected soon, as I can tell many changes are looming....and lb for lb should be modified based on performance past week...

Just my opinion, if someone can't compete in Allstates, for whatever reason, they should not be reflected in the Top 8 ranking. That is part of the sport of wrestling as unfortunate as it is. Ie Health, injury free, sustainability is critical..etc, . I am adamant about giving kids that competed, the credit they deserve. Not implying those that didn't compete due to injury, missing weight, health, etc. wouldn't have placed, but suggesting don't diminish the recognition for those that did that gave blood, sweat and tears to place in Top 8.

So you're basically saying that Eric Reyes shouldn't be ranked even though he had 1 loss and beat the guy who took 2nd a week prior? All because he didn't compete at All States?


Of course you would use Reyes...haha But, yes.. he did not compete, and did not end the season in Top 8 for AllState. So next year is next year. And of course he will regain his status fast enough, assuming he comes back healthy.

The top 6 should be Allstate placers after that than it should go by there opinion. Eric Reyes should be top 8 hes a state champ with needing surgery, that shows incredible heart and deserves to be ranked
speedkills
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nb135 wrote ...

speedkills wrote ...

montytech160 wrote ...

speedkills wrote ...

AllState results should be reflected soon, as I can tell many changes are looming....and lb for lb should be modified based on performance past week...

Just my opinion, if someone can't compete in Allstates, for whatever reason, they should not be reflected in the Top 8 ranking. That is part of the sport of wrestling as unfortunate as it is. Ie Health, injury free, sustainability is critical..etc, . I am adamant about giving kids that competed, the credit they deserve. Not implying those that didn't compete due to injury, missing weight, health, etc. wouldn't have placed, but suggesting don't diminish the recognition for those that did that gave blood, sweat and tears to place in Top 8.

So you're basically saying that Eric Reyes shouldn't be ranked even though he had 1 loss and beat the guy who took 2nd a week prior? All because he didn't compete at All States?


Of course you would use Reyes...haha But, yes.. he did not compete, and did not end the season in Top 8 for AllState. So next year is next year. And of course he will regain his status fast enough, assuming he comes back healthy.

The top 6 should be Allstate placers after that than it should go by there opinion. Eric Reyes should be top 8 hes a state champ with needing surgery, that shows incredible heart and deserves to be ranked


Of course you would use Reyes...haha But, yes.. I have much respect for Reyes, awesome wrestler. However, unfortunately due to his surgery, he did not compete, and did not end the season in Top 8 at AllState. So next year is next year. And of course he will regain his status fast enough, assuming he comes back healthy. And you know Reyes is an exception to the rule across multiple weight classes, knowing his elite skill level. But, give the kids that competed the recognition they deserve this year, is all I am suggesting. Staying healthy and injury free, demonstrating sustainability is part of the sport of wrestling.. just saying.
t3chfa11
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"Staying healthy is part of the sport, it's not fair to those who did compete to rank someone who did not". I don't think it should matter who you are... Anyone that did not compete, INCLUDING Reyes should not be ranked. There shouldn't be an exception. It isn't fair to the one's who stayed healthy and competed. I know I'll get crap for this but it is true...
t3chfa11
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The Rankings Team wrote ...

We VERY RARELY rank anyone who doesn't wrestle sectionals. Staying healthy is part of the sport, it's not fair to those who did compete to rank someone who did not.

"Staying healthy is part of the sport, it's not fair to those who did compete to rank someone who did not". I don't think it should matter who you are... Anyone that did not compete, INCLUDING Reyes should not be ranked. There shouldn't be an exception. It isn't fair to the one's who stayed healthy and competed. I know I'll get crap for this but it is true...
I know it says sectionals but still he did not compete he should not be ranked in my opinion part of the sport is staying healthy all season it is not fair to take it away from those who did.
nb135
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speedkills wrote ...

nb135 wrote ...

speedkills wrote ...

montytech160 wrote ...

speedkills wrote ...

AllState results should be reflected soon, as I can tell many changes are looming....and lb for lb should be modified based on performance past week...

Just my opinion, if someone can't compete in Allstates, for whatever reason, they should not be reflected in the Top 8 ranking. That is part of the sport of wrestling as unfortunate as it is. Ie Health, injury free, sustainability is critical..etc, . I am adamant about giving kids that competed, the credit they deserve. Not implying those that didn't compete due to injury, missing weight, health, etc. wouldn't have placed, but suggesting don't diminish the recognition for those that did that gave blood, sweat and tears to place in Top 8.

So you're basically saying that Eric Reyes shouldn't be ranked even though he had 1 loss and beat the guy who took 2nd a week prior? All because he didn't compete at All States?


Of course you would use Reyes...haha But, yes.. he did not compete, and did not end the season in Top 8 for AllState. So next year is next year. And of course he will regain his status fast enough, assuming he comes back healthy.

The top 6 should be Allstate placers after that than it should go by there opinion. Eric Reyes should be top 8 hes a state champ with needing surgery, that shows incredible heart and deserves to be ranked


Of course you would use Reyes...haha But, yes.. I have much respect for Reyes, awesome wrestler. However, unfortunately due to his surgery, he did not compete, and did not end the season in Top 8 at AllState. So next year is next year. And of course he will regain his status fast enough, assuming he comes back healthy. And you know Reyes is an exception to the rule across multiple weight classes, knowing his elite skill level. But, give the kids that competed the recognition they deserve this year, is all I am suggesting. Staying healthy and injury free, demonstrating sustainability is part of the sport of wrestling.. just saying.

State champ is not good enough lol I rather be a state champ then 8th at allstates, it is the harder and better accomplishment
GeorgeTheAnimal
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t3chfa11 wrote ...

The Rankings Team wrote ...

We VERY RARELY rank anyone who doesn't wrestle sectionals. Staying healthy is part of the sport, it's not fair to those who did compete to rank someone who did not.

"Staying healthy is part of the sport, it's not fair to those who did compete to rank someone who did not". I don't think it should matter who you are... Anyone that did not compete, INCLUDING Reyes should not be ranked. There shouldn't be an exception. It isn't fair to the one's who stayed healthy and competed. I know I'll get crap for this but it is true...
I know it says sectionals but still he did not compete he should not be ranked in my opinion part of the sport is staying healthy all season it is not fair to take it away from those who did.


Dropping wrestlers completely off the rankings because they miss a year end tournament is kind of absurd, and the result is not a true ranking. Obviously Reyes is the most glaring example, but all wrestlers deserve what they've earned all season. Wrestlers that get injured or miss matches during the season don't get immediately dropped from the rankings list.
ROBA
Wed Mar 04 2015, 09:27PM
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Isn't ranking based on what is, not what could have been?
nb135
Wed Mar 04 2015, 10:20PM
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ROBA wrote ...

Isn't ranking based on what is, not what could have been?

Rankings is a list of best in the state and for people to know the good wrestlers at worst guys like reyes should be Hm
montytech160
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GeorgeTheAnimal wrote ...

t3chfa11 wrote ...

The Rankings Team wrote ...

We VERY RARELY rank anyone who doesn't wrestle sectionals. Staying healthy is part of the sport, it's not fair to those who did compete to rank someone who did not.

"Staying healthy is part of the sport, it's not fair to those who did compete to rank someone who did not". I don't think it should matter who you are... Anyone that did not compete, INCLUDING Reyes should not be ranked. There shouldn't be an exception. It isn't fair to the one's who stayed healthy and competed. I know I'll get crap for this but it is true...
I know it says sectionals but still he did not compete he should not be ranked in my opinion part of the sport is staying healthy all season it is not fair to take it away from those who did.


Dropping wrestlers completely off the rankings because they miss a year end tournament is kind of absurd, and the result is not a true ranking. Obviously Reyes is the most glaring example, but all wrestlers deserve what they've earned all season. Wrestlers that get injured or miss matches during the season don't get immediately dropped from the rankings list.


Well Niven didn't wrestle at states his senior year but he still picked up an HM at the end of the year
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