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GrayDawg
Thu Feb 26 2015, 12:25PM
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AHS611 wrote ...

coachskp wrote ...

nb135 wrote ...

montytech160 wrote ...

nb135 wrote ...

NABC wrote ...

NB 135 - All states was implemented in 1994 as a way to determine seeding for the top 6 wrestlers in MA. The tournament was originally run in one day and no team scoring was not kept for close to 20 years. The tournament was not established to determine the top 16 guys in the state. If that was the case we would have a different system. It is simple to me, if a 7-8 placer from Div 1 wants to go to NEs, finish higher in Div 1, don't argue to take someone else's slot.

Kids don't pick there division, finishing 6th in d3 is not better then top 8 at D1 so your rewarding the easier task, It is like the Nfl rewarding a 7-9 team to have home field. a few years back we had a kid from d1 who finished 6th made it to the Allstate finals, who will never see that from D3, I will always be for rewarding the most talented wrestlers

Exactly kids don't pick their division. Based on your logic you're saying Eric Reyes, Ryan Niven, Derek Golner, Ben Spicer, Alex Kane, Dan Wensley, Chris Sullivan, Chris Behen, Brendan Weir and many others are "unworthy of state titles" due to being from D3, but all these guys have placed at All States, placed at all states and New Englands, or have won all of them. But you know they're just less talented by being from D3. Makes sense

I have no clue how many times i have to say it I am not talking about State titles I am talking about 5th and 6th place finishers are not good enough to compete with the best in the state. D3 is not deep just a couple good kids per weight, outside of injuries I don't think you will see a kid like Dik not place top 6 if he was in D3

You are making the same argument I have made for years with regard to New Englands - there are some who would argue that MA should be able to send more than 6 to NEs in some sort of effort to make the MA teams more competitive and break the Mt A/Timberlane grip on the team title
the fact is that a MA6 does very little at NEs and this a forgiving enough system already - a good kid can have a bad day and still advance from Sectionals/States/All-States
I have argued that we should be sending fewer kids not more but, my argument is significantly muted now that NEs follows the traditional double elimination format but the fact remains that a 7th place kid from All-States isn't going to do much at New Englands - perhaps beat a NH3/RI3/ME3/VT3 but not much more - similarly I would argue that a 7th place kid from D1 isn't going to do much at All-States.
There would probably be the odd situation where a kid had a bad day was sick or something but that would be very much the exception to the rule.
If you are arguing that most D1 7th placers will beat a D3 Champ I think you are very mistaken
If you are arguing that the kids are not generally competitive - that is probably true but at this stage of the game what difference does it make - the All-States is essentially a New England qualifying tournament and if you think that through this format we are not sending the top 6 kids to NEs I think you are wrong - where is the harm in having a couple extra kids in the tourney that are not competitive as long as the ones who are competitive are there, and the D1 7th place kid is not going to NEs (probably ever).
I would challenge you to find out how many D1 6th place kids have gone on to NEs in the past 5 years - my guess is that it is less than 1/year and probably none - changing to format to accommodate 1 kid every couple years doesn't make sense



I disagree that the MA7 wouldn't do damage at New Englands. Just look at Eric Kerr last year.


And two years ago, the MA7 at Hvy (Sean Taylor from Marblehead-Swampscott, a D3 school- no less) got his chance at New Englands and beat the CT State Champ the first day! Once you get to All States, every one of these kids knows how to win. If their opponent walks onto the mat not properly dialed in (for whatever reason), there is no reason why a lower seeded D3 wrestler couldn't or wouldn't beat a higher seeded D1 wrestler. They're all good and will take advantage of opponent's mistakes.

NB135, please note the three different and appropriate uses of the words, "their", "there" & "they're" in the above paragraph. Also, when posting, consider sometimes using a comma (,) or a period (.). They may actually help you in presenting your point to the rest of us........... as totally off base as it may be.
coachskp
Thu Feb 26 2015, 12:43PM
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GrayDawg wrote ...

AHS611 wrote ...

coachskp wrote ...

nb135 wrote ...

montytech160 wrote ...

nb135 wrote ...

NABC wrote ...

NB 135 - All states was implemented in 1994 as a way to determine seeding for the top 6 wrestlers in MA. The tournament was originally run in one day and no team scoring was not kept for close to 20 years. The tournament was not established to determine the top 16 guys in the state. If that was the case we would have a different system. It is simple to me, if a 7-8 placer from Div 1 wants to go to NEs, finish higher in Div 1, don't argue to take someone else's slot.

Kids don't pick there division, finishing 6th in d3 is not better then top 8 at D1 so your rewarding the easier task, It is like the Nfl rewarding a 7-9 team to have home field. a few years back we had a kid from d1 who finished 6th made it to the Allstate finals, who will never see that from D3, I will always be for rewarding the most talented wrestlers

Exactly kids don't pick their division. Based on your logic you're saying Eric Reyes, Ryan Niven, Derek Golner, Ben Spicer, Alex Kane, Dan Wensley, Chris Sullivan, Chris Behen, Brendan Weir and many others are "unworthy of state titles" due to being from D3, but all these guys have placed at All States, placed at all states and New Englands, or have won all of them. But you know they're just less talented by being from D3. Makes sense

I have no clue how many times i have to say it I am not talking about State titles I am talking about 5th and 6th place finishers are not good enough to compete with the best in the state. D3 is not deep just a couple good kids per weight, outside of injuries I don't think you will see a kid like Dik not place top 6 if he was in D3

You are making the same argument I have made for years with regard to New Englands - there are some who would argue that MA should be able to send more than 6 to NEs in some sort of effort to make the MA teams more competitive and break the Mt A/Timberlane grip on the team title
the fact is that a MA6 does very little at NEs and this a forgiving enough system already - a good kid can have a bad day and still advance from Sectionals/States/All-States
I have argued that we should be sending fewer kids not more but, my argument is significantly muted now that NEs follows the traditional double elimination format but the fact remains that a 7th place kid from All-States isn't going to do much at New Englands - perhaps beat a NH3/RI3/ME3/VT3 but not much more - similarly I would argue that a 7th place kid from D1 isn't going to do much at All-States.
There would probably be the odd situation where a kid had a bad day was sick or something but that would be very much the exception to the rule.
If you are arguing that most D1 7th placers will beat a D3 Champ I think you are very mistaken
If you are arguing that the kids are not generally competitive - that is probably true but at this stage of the game what difference does it make - the All-States is essentially a New England qualifying tournament and if you think that through this format we are not sending the top 6 kids to NEs I think you are wrong - where is the harm in having a couple extra kids in the tourney that are not competitive as long as the ones who are competitive are there, and the D1 7th place kid is not going to NEs (probably ever).
I would challenge you to find out how many D1 6th place kids have gone on to NEs in the past 5 years - my guess is that it is less than 1/year and probably none - changing to format to accommodate 1 kid every couple years doesn't make sense



I disagree that the MA7 wouldn't do damage at New Englands. Just look at Eric Kerr last year.


And two years ago, the MA7 at Hvy (Sean Taylor from Marblehead-Swampscott, a D3 school- no less) got his chance at New Englands and beat the CT State Champ the first day! Once you get to All States, every one of these kids knows how to win. If their opponent walks onto the mat not properly dialed in (for whatever reason), there is no reason why a lower seeded D3 wrestler couldn't or wouldn't beat a higher seeded D1 wrestler. They're all good and will take advantage of opponent's mistakes.

NB135, please note the three different and appropriate uses of the words, "their", "there" & "they're" in the above paragraph. Also, when posting, consider sometimes using a comma (,) or a period (.). They may actually help you in presenting your point to the rest of us........... as totally off base as it may be.


Did they place?
(sorry to keep this going - the other thread disappeared)
Medic5392
Thu Feb 26 2015, 12:46PM
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All States is fine, if a kid places in his sectional then his state they should go to All States. A lot of states do not do one state champ anymore and I am glad we do it and continue to do it. The fact that a D3 kid may not do much on average compared to the rest is not an argument to take away their slots, it is the All States, let the chips fall where they may.

Coachskp, I disagree about more kids at NEs for CT and MA and correct me if I am wrong, but have MA 5th and 6ths traditionally outscored NH, RI and VT 3s?
JaredWare
Thu Feb 26 2015, 01:18PM
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For anyone who is unable to make it to Salem for the Finals, myself and Brett Poirier will be streaming the matches live on the NFHS Network (www.nfhsnetwork.com). It's not a free stream (I'm not sure how much it costs), but that's out of our control. Again, it's an option if you want live video or an archived copy after the fact.
coachskp
Thu Feb 26 2015, 02:04PM
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JaredWare wrote ...

For anyone who is unable to make it to Salem for the Finals, myself and Brett Poirier will be streaming the matches live on the NFHS Network (www.nfhsnetwork.com). It's not a free stream (I'm not sure how much it costs), but that's out of our control. Again, it's an option if you want live video or an archived copy after the fact.

Nice - Glad to hear it - Congrats - I am sure you will represent Hudson well
speedkills
Thu Feb 26 2015, 07:29PM
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Good Luck to all the AllState qualifiers. Looking forward to a great tournament this year. Many have different opinions on placers, finalists and champions, but it will be settled in 2 days. Respect to all these kids who have put in a lot of hardwork for years to make it to this point. Doesn't happen overnight. The negativity on this post is old.. We should be talking about successes and accomplishments these kids have earned, even if they were not recognized by Ma Ranking all season. If they made it to AllStates, they deserve the recognition now.
hodgiman
Thu Feb 26 2015, 08:26PM
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Very well said speedkills!!!
w1nbyp1n
Fri Feb 27 2015, 09:04AM
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speedkills wrote ...

Good Luck to all the AllState qualifiers. Looking forward to a great tournament this year. Many have different opinions on placers, finalists and champions, but it will be settled in 2 days. Respect to all these kids who have put in a lot of hardwork for years to make it to this point. Doesn't happen overnight. The negativity on this post is old.. We should be talking about successes and accomplishments these kids have earned, even if they were not recognized by Ma Ranking all season. If they made it to AllStates, they deserve the recognition now.


Exactly , couldn't agree more
realityking
Fri Feb 27 2015, 12:00PM
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Opinions being shared all season of who is better, fathers coming online to promote their kids and where a team or individual should be ranked, etc. is all thrown out the window.

Wrestlers now have the chance to prove out their ability regardless of their division (D1, D2, D3)

This is when the tough schedules, the hard practices and the individual sacrifices that were made all play out for everyone to see.

Best of luck to all of the qualifiers and lets hope for a competitive tournament with great sportsmanship regardless of the individual outcome.
xbmhswrestler
Fri Feb 27 2015, 03:12PM
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Is KAP right? Jacobson just pinned acquino?
realityking
Fri Feb 27 2015, 03:27PM
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Chase112
Fri Feb 27 2015, 03:48PM
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xbmhswrestler wrote ...

Is KAP right? Jacobson just pinned acquino?


Yes, that's correct. Just had it confirmed to me.
Chase112
Fri Feb 27 2015, 03:55PM
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Jacobson took neutral in the second period then brought Aquino right to his back with a fireman's carry
Wrestlerlife24
Fri Feb 27 2015, 05:08PM
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Chase112 wrote ...

Jacobson took neutral in the second period then brought Aquino right to his back with a fireman's carry


Ive heard from multiple people he cradles him? Either way what a huge upset! Sure does shake things up a bit at 113.
GrayDawg
Fri Feb 27 2015, 10:51PM
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Wrestlerlife24 wrote ...

Chase112 wrote ...

Jacobson took neutral in the second period then brought Aquino right to his back with a fireman's carry


Ive heard from multiple people he cradles him? Either way what a huge upset! Sure does shake things up a bit at 113.


Aquino was pinned via cradle..... I saw it.
dumbell
Sat Feb 28 2015, 04:23PM
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Some parents are just nuts!
fan4life
Sat Feb 28 2015, 07:34PM
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Think it is time make Fritz number 3 on the P4P rankings.
bfw68
Sat Feb 28 2015, 08:03PM
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Honestly number 2 is more like it. Taking no prisoners
Chase112
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bfw68 wrote ...

Honestly number 2 is more like it. Taking no prisoners

Considering how good Bolden is, that was one of the most impressive performances I've seen this season.
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