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2014-15 New Englands Results  Go to page  [1] 2 3
tourneygeek
Sun Feb 15 2015, 08:49AM

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HS New Enlgands results will be posted here

Final Results: [link]
tourneygeek
Fri Mar 06 2015, 05:46PM

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tourney up and running on kapwrestling,net
tourneygeek
Fri Mar 06 2015, 08:44PM

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first day up
Wrestling21
Sat Mar 07 2015, 06:16PM
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Did fritz have the most dominant season ever of a Massachusetts wrestler?
w1nbyp1n
Sat Mar 07 2015, 07:04PM
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Maybe. Kid was on another level this year . The only question I could see if what if him and Viruet wrestled this year
nb135
Sat Mar 07 2015, 07:51PM
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w1nbyp1n wrote ...

Maybe. Kid was on another level this year . The only question I could see if what if him and Viruet wrestled this year

Hoehn was to big for Viruet, noway Viruet could bump up and beat him
tourneygeek
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final brackets
Chase112
Sat Mar 07 2015, 08:29PM
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Wrestling21 wrote ...

Did fritz have the most dominant season ever of a Massachusetts wrestler?


Viruet went 57-0, won Eastern States and Junior Nationals last season. Hard to argue with that, but Hoehn had one heck of a season.
nb135
Sat Mar 07 2015, 10:09PM
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Chase112 wrote ...

Wrestling21 wrote ...

Did fritz have the most dominant season ever of a Massachusetts wrestler?


Viruet went 57-0, won Eastern States and Junior Nationals last season. Hard to argue with that, but Hoehn had one heck of a season.

Did hoehn lose? if not ofcourse you can debate it. and hoehn if wins senior nats would be more impressive
snowstorm
Sat Mar 07 2015, 11:05PM
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great year for Hoehn and Viruet but most dominant ever? Butterbodt last year - undefeated, didn't give up a point until NE finals, Butterbrodt this year - 60-0, repeat NE champ at 220, gave up only 6 pts all year, set state career wins record, think he also set new record for pins in a season. I'd like to hear about a more dominant season than those stats.
Thedavepete
Sat Mar 07 2015, 11:18PM
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snowstorm wrote ...

great year for Hoehn and Viruet but most dominant ever? Butterbodt last year - undefeated, didn't give up a point until NE finals, Butterbrodt this year - 60-0, repeat NE champ at 220, gave up only 6 pts all year, set state career wins record, think he also set new record for pins in a season. I'd like to hear about a more dominant season than those stats.

Butterbrodt actually was scored on last year before New Englands by Andre Carr of Reading in Saint Johns first dual of the year last year.
jmachinder
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I believe Fritz and his father become the third father-son duo to win New Englands. I'm pretty sure no one touched Von Hoehn in 1986 when he won NEs for the second time.
fan4life
Sun Mar 08 2015, 07:31AM
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Thedavepete wrote ...

snowstorm wrote ...

great year for Hoehn and Viruet but most dominant ever? Butterbodt last year - undefeated, didn't give up a point until NE finals, Butterbrodt this year - 60-0, repeat NE champ at 220, gave up only 6 pts all year, set state career wins record, think he also set new record for pins in a season. I'd like to hear about a more dominant season than those stats.

Butterbrodt actually was scored on last year before New Englands by Andre Carr of Reading in Saint Johns first dual of the year last year.


An incredible topic; Hoehn, Viruet and Butterbrodt who had the most dominant season? I don't believe Hoehn even has a decision on his record this year. All have been Majors, Techs and Pins.

cradleman1952
Sun Mar 08 2015, 08:42AM
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fan4life wrote ...

Thedavepete wrote ...

snowstorm wrote ...

great year for Hoehn and Viruet but most dominant ever? Butterbodt last year - undefeated, didn't give up a point until NE finals, Butterbrodt this year - 60-0, repeat NE champ at 220, gave up only 6 pts all year, set state career wins record, think he also set new record for pins in a season. I'd like to hear about a more dominant season than those stats.

Butterbrodt actually was scored on last year before New Englands by Andre Carr of Reading in Saint Johns first dual of the year last year.


An incredible topic; Hoehn, Viruet and Butterbrodt who had the most dominant season? I don't believe Hoehn even has a decision on his record this year. All have been Majors, Techs and Pins.




I think his Dad told him make them check for DNA. Leave no evidence. Congrats to both Fritz and Von.
Medic5392
Sun Mar 08 2015, 09:05AM
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Seems like it was a great tournament and that depth is improving a lot in New England when 3's and 4's do so well. Also, this was a CT year from the medal round results and two of the kids from Newtown are sophmores.

Weight: 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th

106: CT1, MA1, CT2, NH1, CT3, MA2
113: RI1, CT4, CT1, MA3, CT2, MA5
120: VT1, CT2, CT1, CT3, RI2, MA2
126: VT1, ME1, CT1, ME2, CT2, MA1
132: VT1, CT1, MA1, NH2, MA3, CT3
138: CT2, MA2, RI1, NH2, CT3, MA3
145: NH1, CT3, CT2, MA3, CT2, MA2
152: MA1, NH1, CT1, CT2, MA4, MA3
160: MA1, CT1, NH1, NH3, ME1, CT4
170: MA1, CT1, ME1, RI1, NH1, CT2
182: CT1, MA1, MA3, NH2, MA2, CT2
195: NH1, CT1, MA2, VT1, NH2, MA1
220: MA1, VT1, ME1, RI1, MA2, CT1
285: MA1, MA2, MA3, CT1, MA4, VT1
snowstorm
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@thedaveā€¦. i don't think so. Ian's been scored on only 3 times in past two years. last year NE finals (6-5), this year All States final (6-4) and this year NE semis (5-2). incredible run of 119 wins in a row and only gave up 11 points in 2 years

be interesting to know Viruet's and Hoehn's stats
DOWDIESEL
Sun Mar 08 2015, 09:11AM
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I think the Methuen 170 gave him the toughest match all year at all States if anybody 12-5
cradleman1952
Sun Mar 08 2015, 09:50AM
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Who was the OW? (Hoehn?)
tourneygeek
Sun Mar 08 2015, 10:05AM

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mray wrote ...

Who was the OW? (Hoehn?)

Yes

Hoehn was the OW
cradleman1952
Sun Mar 08 2015, 10:08AM
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tourneygeek wrote ...

mray wrote ...

Who was the OW? (Hoehn?)

Yes

Hoehn was the OW

Thanks.
montytech160
Sun Mar 08 2015, 11:06AM
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DOWDIESEL wrote ...

I think the Methuen 170 gave him the toughest match all year at all States if anybody 12-5

Unless at a meet, yes Darius gave him the best fight 12-5. Pretty crazy to think a 7 point decision was his closest match all year.
Maple Grove
Sun Mar 08 2015, 12:56PM
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What Finals bout was voted the Best by the refs?
realityking
Sun Mar 08 2015, 12:58PM
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Hoehn was definitely dominant. His speed, strength and aggression was on a different level.

With that being said the Falbo kid out of CT is an impressive wrestler in his own right and to only be a sophomore makes him that much more impressive.

The length of Hoehn was to much for Falbo to overcome and that speaks to the match up issues Hoehn has created all year for the rest of the field.
deepbrook
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Medic5392, thanks for tallying up the top 6 for each weight class. I find it interesting that of the 28 wrestlers in the finals, only 6 were not champs from their respective states. That said, maybe that's how it usually plays out.

Since I like to play with data, I thought I'd look at how each state did relative to the number of wrestlers each entered. I somewhat arbitrarily assigned 6 points for a win, 5 for a second, 4 for a third, and so on down to 1 for a sixth.

CT: 101 points
MA: 90
NH: 40
VT: 27
ME: 18
RI: 18

That's "absolute" scoring, though, in which the states with fewer wrestlers entered are at a disadvantage. So, I divided the points above by the percentage of wrestlers entered (MA 27%; CT 18%; ME 14%; NH 14%: RI 14%; VT 14%) to get "normalized points."

CT: 556
MA: 330
NH: 293
VT: 198
ME: 132
RI: 132

While the order didn't change, the gaps did--CT was the overall winner in a landslide. I note that if instead of using the 6/5/4/3/2/1 point assignment, I used a much more champion-favorable 32/16/8/4/2/1, the top two spots remain the same, but the bottom four shift around a bit.

Special kudos to VT, though--if you look only at NE champions (by either point assignment system), they come out on top by virtue of taking 3 titles to MA's 5 (and CT's 3, NH's 2, and RI's 1) despite having half the wrestlers entered that MA had.
Medic5392
Sun Mar 08 2015, 02:34PM
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deepbrook wrote ...

Medic5392, thanks for tallying up the top 6 for each weight class. I find it interesting that of the 28 wrestlers in the finals, only 6 were not champs from their respective states. That said, maybe that's how it usually plays out.

Since I like to play with data, I thought I'd look at how each state did relative to the number of wrestlers each entered. I somewhat arbitrarily assigned 6 points for a win, 5 for a second, 4 for a third, and so on down to 1 for a sixth.

CT: 101 points
MA: 90
NH: 40
VT: 27
ME: 18
RI: 18

That's "absolute" scoring, though, in which the states with fewer wrestlers entered are at a disadvantage. So, I divided the points above by the percentage of wrestlers entered (MA 27%; CT 18%; ME 14%; NH 14%: RI 14%; VT 14%) to get "normalized points."

CT: 556
MA: 330
NH: 293
VT: 198
ME: 132
RI: 132

While the order didn't change, the gaps did--CT was the overall winner in a landslide. I note that if instead of using the 6/5/4/3/2/1 point assignment, I used a much more champion-favorable 32/16/8/4/2/1, the top two spots remain the same, but the bottom four shift around a bit.

Special kudos to VT, though--if you look only at NE champions (by either point assignment system), they come out on top by virtue of taking 3 titles to MA's 5 (and CT's 3, NH's 2, and RI's 1) despite having half the wrestlers entered that MA had.



CT was impressive this year. CT has good years, but MA is consistently the dominant state. MA just has a lot more schools. The CT team had two incredible sophomores from Newtown this year that are going to be a force to reckon with for a while and I think they will challenge for the team title in 2016'. I am not a fan of the fact the VT has so few schools and gets so many slots (22 teams if I remember correctly), but I think the answer is to increase the MA and CT entries to 8 and 6 respectively. I don't think we should take away opportunities from kids and the mats always decides who will be the best at the end. Yeah, they (MA 7 & 8, CT 5 & 6) might not do much, but that is the fairest thing you could do to make the team race a little more equitable. MAU and Timberlane will still be the dominant teams I think, they do what is needed to win at that level by traveling out of state to places like PA, NY, MD, etc...Springfield Central is following that idea and it shows in their success. The other teams should follow suit IMHO, but the MIAA does not make it easy unless the state borders MA.

Here is a link to maybe score that tourney a little better if you are into it, or just go to the NFHS page and download their rule book.

[link]
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