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onetwo_onetwo
Fri Feb 13 2015, 12:21PM
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Question about seeding criteria and "order of operations"

Three Wrestlers at Sectional seeding meeting. A, B, and C.
A head to head over B
C has not wrestled A or B; has CO over A.
B has CO over C

Does this circle: A>B>X>C>Y>A nullify the first and second criteria, defaulting to wins against "Strong Opposition"

Strong Opposition puts seeding at 1. B 2.C 3.A
The argument then kept going back to "well B can't be above A because A has head to head.

So the seeding was left as 1.A 2.B 3.C
because A beat B and B has CO over C.

Any thoughts?
montytech160
Fri Feb 13 2015, 12:26PM
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It depends who the common opponents were in my eyes.
BCHWrestling
Fri Feb 13 2015, 12:40PM
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Just curious - did any of them have returning paper?
onetwo_onetwo
Fri Feb 13 2015, 12:42PM
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BCH: C had S4 paper same returning weightclass

Monty: Unfortunately that is not part of the second criteria.
nawrestler
Fri Feb 13 2015, 01:10PM
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In my opinion, this is not a round robin. A true round robin is when A beats B and B beats C and C beats A. They have head to head with each other. That is when the "points" system (strong opposition) will be used. Since B and C do not have a head to head, B is ahead of C due to common opponent and C is ahead of A because of common opponent. I think head to head that A has should trump that and put him at the top. 1. A 2. B 3. C

Confusing to say the least and totally imperfect...it gets frustrating.

D2S had a number of these and it took 2+ hours to seed the tourney.

In NY, they use a points system to seed first and then head to head can move a wrestler up. They earn points for last years paper, wins from the current year and strong opposition points for wins over returning placers. It might be something the MIAA should look at when determining seeding criteria for the future.
onetwo_onetwo
Fri Feb 13 2015, 01:49PM
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nawrestler,

The issue that I had with the situation is that C's common opponent gets ignored because it was over a wrestler from a different section. Everything will be settled on the mat tomorrow though.

Thanks
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