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Jim Maher

Thu Feb 11 2010, 08:16AM

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Beane, what really bothers me is people coming on here to complain who weren't at the tournament.

I had one of my own wrestlers missing his matches for two hours, we fixed it and moved on.

It wouldn't be worth the $12, because I would throw a 32 man bracket at you and then run for my life.

beane1255

Thu Feb 11 2010, 08:26AM

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Fair enough we wont be wrestling no matter how much you wanted to see it boys and girls.

Patsfan

Thu Feb 11 2010, 11:14AM

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Jim Maher wrote ...

From where I'm sitting your tearing it down. Instead of going directly to MYWA to give your input, you post it here to get a reaction from the naysayers or the people who hear it second or third hand.

In all the tournaments I've run, when I've confronted a person who is complaining about the tournament, I ask them to run it and they always sneak away. If you want to run this tournament, run the tournament. Don't say you will help, step up and run the tournament

Confronted??? complaining??? I guess some people are predisposed to a negative outlook. So rather then address the issue you become confrontational and ask the person to run it if they think they can do it differently??????

I would be happy to get some folks together and run the tournament. In fact, next time I see the AD at our school I will ask him about hosting the South and see if we can get our name in the MYWA hat for next year. Then when and if things go wrong I wont take the feedback as a personal attack. With a positive approach I will work to make sure that those things don't happen again next year if they can be avoided.

Just let me know who I should speak with to "step up" and get more involved. It is unfortunate that you are taking it as me being a jerk. That is not the intention.

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Pain is weakness leaving the body!

Patsfan

Thu Feb 11 2010, 11:17AM

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Dungeon Training Center... Check it out!

Pain is weakness leaving the body!

Jim Maher

Thu Feb 11 2010, 11:31AM

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Reach out to Jim Harrington

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rmdwins

Thu Feb 11 2010, 12:12PM

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Patsfan, I would be willing to help you out, I think your High School would be a Perfect Venue for this Tournament. Let me know and I will certainly be willing to step it up and do what I Can.

beane1255 you are "right on the Money" with your assessment!!! The Coach that was asked to leave complained about the back to back wrestling.

Thanks

coachtwt

Thu Feb 11 2010, 12:59PM

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Jim Maher wrote ...

I was there and no coach was almost thrown out for complaining about the brackets. One was thrown out during a match and allowed to return for questioning a referee. I had 8 wrestlers in that 32 man bracket and not one Dedham parent, coach or I complained about the amount of matches.

The majority of the complaints are coming from one team, if that team feels they can run this tournament better, then I suggest they offer to host next year.

I was the coach from North Attleboro that was thrown out and then allowed to come back. (just allowed in the back room).

I was thrown out because I disagreed with a referee who said he did not care about the safety of the kids.
That is WRONG.

I was not complaining about how the tournament was run or a referees call.

It was solely about the boys safety having to wrestle 3 times in 10 minutes.
After the second match he was hyperventaliting and totally drained. The referee came over and said he had to wrestrle agian right away.

When I questioned this and asked him to move on and come back to it, he siad it was not his problem.
I siad the safety of the kids is his responsibility and he said no it was not.

That is just not right and I disagreed with him
'When I pointed it out, he did not like it and decided the best way to move on was to get rid of me.

Ok he won. I was dismissed from coaching my kids over being overly protective.

I will go to bat 100% of the time to defend the safety of any kid.

And yes, I have run many tournaments in my time and will continue to run them.

There are always going to be issues and problems but you have to deal with them and make adjustments.

I was part of the group of coaches who develoed this new Mass format and am proud of it.

We jsut need to continue to make adjustments and move on.

But again, my main point was SAFETY, which was ignored by the refeee and no else seemed to care enough to make the adjsutment either.

Tom Taylor - North Attleboro Coach

nb135

Thu Feb 11 2010, 01:09PM

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coachtwt wrote ...

what mat was this

coachtwt

Thu Feb 11 2010, 01:23PM

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nb135 wrote ...

coachtwt wrote ...

what mat was this

I think it ws mat # 3, but not sure.

Parents and coaches from other towns told me that particular ref was having arguments all day long after I left.

Beemer

Thu Feb 11 2010, 01:40PM

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I know not who the ref was...as I wasn't there, so therefore I don't know anything about what problems he was having outside of this instance being referenced. But the 'safety' comment could very definitely be being misinterpreted. A wrestling official's first job is protecting the wrestlers during the match...before awarding points or calling falls. Safety is of the utmost primacy, and I hope (and believe) that this particular official understands this.

However...in terms of how a tournament is being run...how quickly kids are having to wrestle after a previous match...NO, that kind of "safety" is absolutely NOT under a referee's control. This is a tournament administration issue, pure and simple. On the mat, during the match...safety first. But in terms of going through bout sheets...sorry guys, that's not the official's problem. At all. The official's job is to get through bout sheets.

Now...what I'm interested in is how the 'rules' were being advertised as being applied. If they were Federation rules...then every wrestler is required by rule to have 45 minutes in between matches. Now, at youth tournaments, where the goal is to end the thing as quickly as possible it seems, I'm not naive to believe this rule is ever applied or adhered to...but it certainly appears that more liberties were taken with this than could be said is reasonable.

coachtwt

Thu Feb 11 2010, 01:58PM

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Beemer wrote ...

I know not who the ref was...as I wasn't there, so therefore I don't know anything about what problems he was having outside of this instance being referenced. But the 'safety' comment could very definitely be being misinterpreted. A wrestling official's first job is protecting the wrestlers during the match...before awarding points or calling falls. Safety is of the utmost primacy, and I hope (and believe) that this particular official understands this.

However...in terms of how a tournament is being run...how quickly kids are having to wrestle after a previous match...NO, that kind of "safety" is absolutely NOT under a referee's control. This is a tournament administration issue, pure and simple. On the mat, during the match...safety first. But in terms of going through bout sheets...sorry guys, that's not the official's problem. At all. The official's job is to get through bout sheets.

Now...what I'm interested in is how the 'rules' were being advertised as being applied. If they were Federation rules...then every wrestler is required by rule to have 45 minutes in between matches. Now, at youth tournaments, where the goal is to end the thing as quickly as possible it seems, I'm not naive to believe this rule is ever applied or adhered to...but it certainly appears that more liberties were taken with this than could be said is reasonable.

I have never seen a youth tournament adhere to a 45 minute rest rule, nor do I recemmend we start doing it.
But some common sense needs to be taken into consideration, which in this case, it was not.

So if a referee see a kid is in no condition to wrestle, he shouldn't be concerned with it and let him wrestle anyhow?
Weather the kid is tired, injured or what? Doesn't make sense to me.

The refere shouldn't be telling the kid to wrestle or forfeit if he can clearny see the kid is in no condition to do so.

That is just someone who does not care. And I don't want a person like that refreeing my kids.

Certainly something could have been done to aleviate the situation. But it was not.

CoachMike05

Thu Feb 11 2010, 02:05PM

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I'm new to the MA scene because we are located so far south, that on most weekends we attend Rhode Island tournaments and / or occassionally CT tournaments, simply out of convenience. (shorter travel time to tournament and split sessions). Being involved with those two states over the past 3 years I can tell you that Rhode Island Wrestling Association (USA) mandates 15 minutes rest in between youth matches, UNLESS agreed upon by coaches for a shorter time., Connecticut USA youth wrestling mandates 20 minutes rest in between youth matches, UNLESS agreed upon by coaches for a shorter time.

A possible suggestion, now that there is such a thing as the MYWA, is to nominate such a rule and timeline be implemented into a tournament guildlines section of the associations by-laws / rules. Get it voted in and then it's down in black and white for all to adhere to.

Rhode Island is working on rewriting / updating their guidelines, since it's been a while since they were last updated, so I couldn't find anything online updated (however their old document is still up on their main page, but CT does have an updated document on their website for viewing, perhaps mirroring "some" of their ideas would be a suggestion. Link to CT guidelines:
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SomersetYouthWrestling.com

coachtwt

Thu Feb 11 2010, 02:15PM

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[quote]
I'm new to the MA scene because we are located so far south, that on most weekends we attend Rhode Island tournaments and / or occassionally CT tournaments, simply out of convenience. (shorter travel time to tournament and split sessions). Being involved with those two states over the past 3 years I can tell you that Rhode Island Wrestling Association (USA) mandates 15 minutes rest in between youth matches, UNLESS agreed upon by coaches for a shorter time., Connecticut USA youth wrestling mandates 20 minutes rest in between youth matches, UNLESS agreed upon by coaches for a shorter time.

A possible suggestion, now that there is such a thing as the MYWA, is to nominate such a rule and timeline be implemented into a tournament guildlines section of the associations by-laws / rules. Get it voted in and then it's down in black and white for all to adhere to.

Rhode Island is working on rewriting / updating their guidelines, since it's been a while since they were last updated, so I couldn't find anything online updated (however their old document is still up on their main page, but CT does have an updated document on their website for viewing, perhaps mirroring "some" of their ideas would be a suggestion. Link to CT guidelines:
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Thanks CoachMike.

Good idea.

CoachMike05

Thu Feb 11 2010, 02:29PM

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Another good reason for the association to come up with tournament guidlines, is then most of the tournaments will be run in the same manner. You will still have some tournaments that might be better than others, because of better facilities, better food being served, nicer medals, etc...but the wrestling part of it will all be very similiar.

I'm running our tournament under the same guidelines as the RIWA tournament on March 21st, using their refs, pairing officials, etc.. simply because I had no clue how to do anything during my first year as the director /coach last season, since I fell into the positions..however I was happy with how things ran, simply because my tournament ran (more or less) just like every other RIWA tournament we've gone to all year long.

That being said I think the RIWA is entering it's 36th year, and this is the MYWA 1st year...

SomersetYouthWrestling.com

fkirby

Thu Feb 11 2010, 02:54PM

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As a parent of a North Attleboro wrestler, I can attest to the frustrations of confusion during tournaments, the long waits and safety concerns of wrestling back to back. I do know the NA Coach's first and foremost concern is the safety of the wrestler. I would never allow my son to be involved if that were not the case. With that being said, I have seen some changes in my son through wrestling both physically and mentally. I do owe this to the coaches from NA and wrestling in general. So I feel it is my responsibility as a parent to get involved with an organization that helps these kids develop like mine has. I would like to provide any assistance that is needed in any area. The one things to know is that I have never wrestled in my life and I would need some education about how tournaments are run, weigh-ins and brackets and such. This discussion thread is a great tool to positively effect the organiztions and clubs to promote healthy competition and sportsmansship. I can see the post I made earlier sounds like complaining, so I would like to offer my apologies for that. As for CoachTWT yes it was mat 3 and he also had issues with two other coaches from the different clubs that I witnessed. Again, please let me know how I can be of assistance.

Fran Kirby

palmswrestling05-06

Thu Feb 11 2010, 04:28PM

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I did not read all the previous threads. This suggestion may have already been mentioned. Try staggered starting times. Have certain age groups start at 8am and others start about 11am. The only people that will have to be in the gym all day are coaches and families with more than two wrestlers who are not in the same age groups. Try younger kids early and older kids later. Connecticut started doing this a few years back. The state was only able to support one tournament per weekend when it started. Now it supports three most weekends. Connecticut also pre-registers. Honor weigh-ins with weight challenges available. Each weight class (or group) is kept on the same mat all day whenever possible. Brackets are generally four or five-man round-robin so almost everyone gets at least three matches. This eliminates wrestlers having long waits between matches or being forced to wrestle multiple times with inadequate rest.

Frank88

Thu Feb 11 2010, 08:42PM

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The problem was not only on mat 3. My son wrestled on mat 4 and had 5 matches in forty five minutes. I heard the ref on our tell a kid that if he wasn't ready to go when he called his name it would be a forfeit. It seemed to me that they were in a hurry to get through our weight class. It was shameful. We are from Franklin and singling out one town as complainers is ridiculous. I know we complained and I know Coach Taylor well enough to know that he is worried about the safety of all the kids not just the North Attleboro kids.

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