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hydration testing for 2008-9 
sjp
Tue Apr 08 2008, 02:13PM
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MIAA wrestling committee met yesterday and discussed and voted on implementing federation hydration testing

After numerous long discussions on the subject over the past couple of years a vote was taken

The committee voted against the implementation of the rule.

The committee then voted to keep the weight control method as is currently done: signatures, body fat and morning weigh-ins, per the current rule.

Got Heart?
Tue Apr 08 2008, 03:33PM
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So this is the final say for the 2008-2009 season?
sjp
Tue Apr 08 2008, 07:18PM
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Correct, it wouldn't have been implemented next year anyways.

Discussion is over on the topic
4insidewrestling
Fri Apr 11 2008, 04:25PM
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mass, step up to the plate, hydo testing is not that hard, other states have been doing it for the last couple of years, school districts set the place to have it done, chsaa (colorado ) set the time frame to have it done in, then you fax the paper work into them and the school's ad keeps a copy, plus as a coach you may like to keep a copy of the paper work
cradleman1952
Fri Apr 11 2008, 07:38PM
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Problem is Tom that while Hydration Testing is being done, it is not being done correctly. When Coaches are involved and you don't use a neutral tester the results cannot be taken seriously. Fact is kids are still sucking weight and beating the system. Mass already has a good system in place and has for years. But whatever the system if the person or persons that administer it are "fudgeing it" it will not work. We don't fudge it and as long as "mo gambo " (me) is in charge we will follow the rules as most people do. Even in the small state of Vermont we knew, years ago, who could and couldn't be trusted.
4insidewrestling
Sat Apr 12 2008, 10:15AM
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ray, the testing is down by a neutral doctor and nurses, coaches only bring the form in and then pick them up when all of the team members have gone thru. kids have to pass the hydration test first , then they go and get the body fat test done by the doctor in the same time frame - for a team of 24 kids it take about 1 - 2 hours with wait time and other teams there. no matter what you use people will try to cheat the system, which has been and always will be wrong, I teach my wrestlers to go up a weight class and work on getting stronger.
sjp
Sat Apr 12 2008, 12:28PM
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4insidewrestling, nobody said the testing is hard. We have a good system in place that isn't broken, so why fix it.

We do follow the rule of shoulder to shoulder 1 hour on Weekdays and 2 hours weekends.

We just have an extra rule for the betterment of our student athletes that allows 3 pound growth over the course of the day, so they can weigh-in scratch in morning and eat lunch.

MA should not be doing a night before WI anywhere. That is a MIAA rule.
dnowa
Sat Apr 12 2008, 02:46PM
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some NFHS rules may be modified by state adoption...others are not, and this includes the weight certification process with the hydration component, but more significantly, the mandated weigh-ins that specifically prohibit an allowance. Mass violates NFHS rules in 3 ways: 1--hydration test as part of weight certification 2--morning weigh ins (whether or not they still weigh in again plus 3 at night) 3--greater than 1 pound given for consecutive days of competition

other states have made the needed adjustments to comply with federation rules
dbreen
Mon Apr 14 2008, 09:47AM
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I was with the NWCA people this weekend. Only 37 states do the hydration. It is not cost effective! States are dropping it because it because the maintenence of the program is so time consuming. I have spoken to a lot of coaches from a lot of states that do it, and a guy who foolows the rules and does it right is at a major disadvantage to a guy who cheats. Most guys think that 70% of the guys in their states cheat. We can't get guys to do weigh-ins right. We would never get them to do this without cheating.
coachskp
Thu May 15 2008, 11:08AM
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perhaps you could get Arlen Specter to look into this "alleged cheating" - it would be a better use of his time and resources than what he is proposing
buisness..manng
Fri Sep 26 2008, 08:20AM
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forget hydro testing they can be cheated, kids will find ways around them, and it wont stop anything. Hydration testing is just a waste of time, and money
matsense
Fri Sep 26 2008, 04:01PM
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I think it is a good call. From a coaches standpoint, it would hurt newer/ less supported programs. I have coached at well established programs and newer or less supported programs. The lesser programs would be hurt by Hydration Testing.
OACoach
Fri Sep 26 2008, 04:51PM
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I agree that the hydration testing would hurt the smaller/less funded programs. My program is only a few years old and I have heard of alot of other new programs in the last 2 years. I am sure that most of them would not have been approved by their schools if the cost was higher due to hydration testing.
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